Excepting the remarks on gays, this shows a staggering, whilst unsurprising, level of both ignorance and lack of compassion.

No-one is "promoting" anything other than a raised awareness and understanding. Those impacted don't seek to feel as they do. They just do.

Those that cannot accept some people are different, for whatever reason, and seek to force them to comply with social norms and behaviour that matches their own preconceptions, need to take a long hard look at themselves. Not at those who are different to them.

We are all different.

The hard right are more different than most.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

This is the crux of the matter. It's about how some people feel but how they feel doesn't have any more importance than how anyone else feels. If women don't want men in their changing rooms why should their feelings be ignored?

Absolutely agree.

For me there is a very important distinction between looking at any circumstance and doing what is objectively best for the individual(s) and society or caving into every notion, based under a guise of social freedom or 'progressiveness' (ludicrous), which will often be hijacked by those whose ends are entirely selfish, anti-social, completely logic defying or anything more macabre. Those who ignorantly but willingly go along with people who fall into this category are just as culpable in my eyes... 'I was just doing my job'.

For me, allowing some sort of transgender movement which seeks to secure a place in legislation carte blanche and even at the expense of the rest of society based solely on subjective (and often nuts) opinions and aforementioned intents is as ludicrous as completely demonising alongside Soviet/Nazi style purging or persecution of any group within society.

The lack of 'common sense' approaches to just about everything these days is far more worrying for me than the outcomes themselves.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

While myself and Matov express anger at what we view as the deconstructionist agendaed forces that both fund, protect and promote these movements I think Nicholas and Badger both express and highlight the decent understanding that has always been there in modern times for those suffering or expressing their differences from the overwhelming majority....and let's not forget the clever ever questioning Teddy.

It has been royally taken advantage of.....it's very sad that the old saying of 'giving an inch only for the bar-stewards to take a mile' has well and truly taken place.

The slippery slope is only sometimes a fallacy. When the line isn't held the usual suspects will break it.

As they wreck havoc and cause damage many of us know that they will move onto...they already have...the next lines that they will attempt to wear down and break through.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2022 3.02pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Primark has backed down and will give women the choice of a women only changing room. Let's see how many of them queue up for the gender neutral ones.

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Edited by Badger11 (05 Oct 2022 5.37pm)

One more point

Is it not the hard left that won’t accept women do not want to share their private spaces, and are forcing them to comply to their views?
And is it not the hard left who are issuing threats and having people cancelled? Is it not the hard left who have been threatening lesbians as they should want d***? Don’t try to make out only the “hard” right have issues.

Edited by Spiderman (05 Oct 2022 5.51pm)