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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 26 Nov 22 9.16am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

England v Wales. It might be a big game for the English fans (and maybe, perhaps, the players) but is met with indifference from a lot of the Welsh population.
It might be some consolation if the Welsh can stop England progressing, but they're really not bothered much at all.

On the political side, a commentator (I think it was Roy Keane) summed it up pretty much last night. Why are fans moaning about beer restrictions (and crusader costumes), when they travelled to Qatar, being completely aware of their way of life and how provocative some actions might be.?
And why use football to make some political statements ? Footballers aren't politicians, and there are politicians and arms dealers,etc, better-placed to make statements, than players not wearing rainbows or making gestures on the field of play.

And I think the one consolation for Wales is that Wayne won't be eligible to play against England after his red card.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (26 Nov 2022 5.07am)

I agree.
We were woeful last night and Southgate talks well but knows little about how to sort matches out on the hoof.
He plays his favourites and if that doesn't work he has no idea.
But for his on field mismanagement we would be Euro champions now.
He is good with the press and the players but there his talents end.
Foden must hate the man.
Best player in his position of his generation and he warms the bench.

Edited by The Dolphin (26 Nov 2022 9.17am)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Nov 22 9.21am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by YT

I agree with you. However I think the FA is backing itself into a difficult corner by (effectively) supporting the wearing of the rainbow armband but reluctantly asking players not to do so. When we return to normal football and players want to wear armbands in support of all sorts of causes, what will the FA do?

Probably support the wearing of them as long as kneeling remains alongside self flagellation due to all blokes being misogynistic bstards !

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 26 Nov 22 9.34am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

If KSA were awarded the tournament at least you would know where you stood, conservative dress code, no booze, no public displays of affection of any persuasion & acceptance that the Saudi take on anything else will remain pretty much the same as it was before the tournament was awarded-its a lot more clear cut & in many ways that would probably be easier to live with, if you cant accept that then don't travel -

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I guess it's hard for a country to be too passionate about a sport that they're never going to win anything in, or even qualify for the major tournaments in on a regular basis. It's like here in Malta, the locals all follow England or Italy as the national team are terrible.

As to Keane, does anyone listen to that bloke? I do agree that players shouldn't be forced to get involved in politics, but having said that if you believe in freedom of speech (which I do) then I also don't think they should be gagged either. Qatar chose to host the tournament which was a political act in itself; it can't have been that naïve to think Westerners might challenge its regime and some of its more abhorrent laws. I see Saudi Arabia are considering bidding for a World Cup in the future, that could be an interesting conversation between Shearer and Linekar.

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 26 Nov 22 10.13am Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Harry Kane putting the world to rights. I'm sure we've all done this.


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Funny how this has not been highlighted, 6(six) teams at this WC have Addidas as their kit supplier. ALL their warm-up/training tops are white, with the black 3 stripes on the sleeve, BUT, at the end of the sleeve it morphs into rainbow colours. The comms only decided to mention Wales before they lost to Iran.

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 26 Nov 22 10.47am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

If KSA were awarded the tournament at least you would know where you stood, conservative dress code, no booze, no public displays of affection of any persuasion & acceptance that the Saudi take on anything else will remain pretty much the same as it was before the tournament was awarded-its a lot more clear cut & in many ways that would probably be easier to live with, if you cant accept that then don't travel -

The one positive that I hope comes out of this World Cup is that FIFA recognises you can't give a major tournament to a country that persecutes people based on their race, sexuality or faith. Personally I would say they should actually make it a requisite that a host country must not have any laws in place that persecute minorities. You want a major sports tournament then change your laws. Whether you agree or disagree with the actions taken by players and countries in response to FIFA and Qatar, I think all but a small section of backwash drinkers agree that making homosexuality illegal is barbaric.

Also, I noticed the stadium was half empty yet again by the second half once the Qataris realised they were going to lose. I suppose when your country gives you everything without having to work for it then you feel entitled.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 26 Nov 22 10.55am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Just doing the devils advocate thing here - Major sporting events introduce guidelines that no country that persecutes anyone can hold major tournaments - the list of eligible countries is formed, everyone else realises that they cannot be considered as host unless they change their ways or form a breakaway group, which of those 2 alternatives do you think would happen?

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The one positive that I hope comes out of this World Cup is that FIFA recognises you can't give a major tournament to a country that persecutes people based on their race, sexuality or faith. Personally I would say they should actually make it a requisite that a host country must not have any laws in place that persecute minorities. You want a major sports tournament then change your laws. Whether you agree or disagree with the actions taken by players and countries in response to FIFA and Qatar, I think all but a small section of backwash drinkers agree that making homosexuality illegal is barbaric.

Also, I noticed the stadium was half empty yet again by the second half once the Qataris realised they were going to lose. I suppose when your country gives you everything without having to work for it then you feel entitled.

 

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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The one positive that I hope comes out of this World Cup is that FIFA recognises you can't give a major tournament to a country that persecutes people based on their race, sexuality or faith. Personally I would say they should actually make it a requisite that a host country must not have any laws in place that persecute minorities. You want a major sports tournament then change your laws. Whether you agree or disagree with the actions taken by players and countries in response to FIFA and Qatar, I think all but a small section of backwash drinkers agree that making homosexuality illegal is barbaric.

Also, I noticed the stadium was half empty yet again by the second half once the Qataris realised they were going to lose. I suppose when your country gives you everything without having to work for it then you feel entitled.

FIFA only recognise money, dont kid yourself they will change.

 

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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Just doing the devils advocate thing here - Major sporting events introduce guidelines that no country that persecutes anyone can hold major tournaments - the list of eligible countries is formed, everyone else realises that they cannot be considered as host unless they change their ways or form a breakaway group, which of those 2 alternatives do you think would happen?

They probably wouldn't change their laws, but I doubt they would form a breakaway group either. I mean, these countries would hardly be that missed. In sporting terms they need tournaments like the World Cup far more than the tournaments need them. I write about the Middle East for work from time to time and they seem desperate to diversify their economies away from their strong oil dependence and sport seems a key part of their strategy to drive tourism and to create a more positive image. I saw the other day a man was sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia for refusing to leave his home to make way for a Mega City project. Having said that, we'd have our new stand by now if we could take similar steps...maybe we should think more like Newcastle supporters. Who cares about human rights if we can have success on the pitch?!

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 26 Nov 22 11.35am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The one positive that I hope comes out of this World Cup is that FIFA recognises you can't give a major tournament to a country that persecutes people based on their race, sexuality or faith. Personally I would say they should actually make it a requisite that a host country must not have any laws in place that persecute minorities. You want a major sports tournament then change your laws. Whether you agree or disagree with the actions taken by players and countries in response to FIFA and Qatar, I think all but a small section of backwash drinkers agree that making homosexuality illegal is barbaric.

Also, I noticed the stadium was half empty yet again by the second half once the Qataris realised they were going to lose. I suppose when your country gives you everything without having to work for it then you feel entitled.

On the first point why should the tournament be restricted to countries that hold my views. Their house their rules whether I like them or not. No country is without sin. Russia, Argentina neither great paragons of liberal ideals.

And homosexuality was illegal here 50 years ago. Oh we are so advanced!

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 26 Nov 22 12.04pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

It must be the most boring football tournament ever, i have watched 2 second half's, does anyone really care what happens, i think i would rather watch I'm a celebrity, which i hate.

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

It must be the most boring football tournament ever, i have watched 2 second half's, does anyone really care what happens, i think i would rather watch I'm a celebrity, which i hate.

Several of the matches have been pretty good. Worst match I've seen is England last night. I watch them on Irish TV and there's no virtue signalling. Still idiot pundits and commentators but they're too scared/polite to say anything. We must want some of that money.

 


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Originally posted by silvertop

On the first point why should the tournament be restricted to countries that hold my views. Their house their rules whether I like them or not. No country is without sin. Russia, Argentina neither great paragons of liberal ideals.

And homosexuality was illegal here 50 years ago. Oh we are so advanced!

You're right, no country is without sin, but if those sins are enshrined in law then we have an issue. How can you promote equality and then give rewards to a country which persecutes people? Also, we're not living in the past. Should countries committing genocide be allowed to hold major tournaments? Or ones that have segregation laws? I mean, those things were very real 50 years ago (and even more recently) so based on your argument why should that be important now.

Also, it's one thing saying you don't agree with homosexuality, it's a whole other thing beating and imprisoning people for it. Given people within Qatar can't speak up by law, it is important that others speak up for them. Qatar isn't a democratic country. People in Qatar do not have a voice. While people might be bothered by what they perceive to be virtue signalling those complaints sound pretty daft when you consider how some people suffer for being gay in a country like Qatar.

 

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