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  Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 23 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
A simple look on the NHS official website: Why should I risk any of these side effects? I had covid twice and was absolutely fine! Infact I've never been vaccinated and I am completely healthy! What you claimed was there are "numerous dangerous side effects". What the NHS website says is that "Reports of serious side effects are very rare". Even you should be able to tell these are incompatible. The NHS site goes further and says "Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week". So you have been unaffected. Lucky you. Not everyone was, and there is no way of knowing beforehand. So you are talking bs, and being selfish, yet think you are some kind of virtuous hero. Other opinions abound.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 23 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No, the GBD wasn't 'debunked', all you do are repeat the smears of those who are funded by drug companies desperate to maintain their profits. You carry on in your bubble of disinformation, where truth are lies and lies are true. Others can read the analyses, look at the credentials of the funders and their motivations and come to informed decisions. Bill Gates is not a drug company. Drug companies obviously look for opportunities, but they also face oversight and regulation. Funding research which might identify those opportunities, when done under the watchful eyes of the regulators, is in all our interests. This is not present when an interest group is pushing an agenda for non-scientific reasons. They can do things solely in their interests. No-one was "smeared"! I suspect the GBD was welcomed as it provided an opportunity to critically examine the claims being made about the assumed benefits of herd immunity. When examined the fault lies were identified and laid bare. That's what peer review does.
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Teddy Eagle  08 Mar 23 3.06pm |
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| Stirlingsays 08 Mar 23 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
The attack on Biden is a bit unfair as you would have to designate somebody as Compos Mentis before they could be considered truthful or not. Makes him very malleable to whomever looks to influence or exploit the presidential mouthpiece however... If Biden hasn't been such a lying toad since he first entered politics perhaps we could be more charitable. Yep, Trump's election time charge that Biden is just a cipher puppet for the madness of the Democrat progressives and their corporate friends is in little doubt.
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| eaglesdare 08 Mar 23 3.15pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What you claimed was there are "numerous dangerous side effects". What the NHS website says is that "Reports of serious side effects are very rare". Even you should be able to tell these are incompatible. The NHS site goes further and says "Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week". So you have been unaffected. Lucky you. Not everyone was, and there is no way of knowing beforehand. So you are talking bs, and being selfish, yet think you are some kind of virtuous hero. Other opinions abound. If you read properly you would see there is numerous dangerous side effects! Mostly mild yes! But there is dangerous ones! Are you saying a blood clot is not dangerous? If you had a blood clot would you go to hospital or just sit there and be like "oh this mild I will be fine"? Maybe 1 in a million gets very bad side effects. 1 in a million is not that much in the world population. I simply do not consent or want to take the chance somthing that could seriously affect my health. Only person being selfish and full of BS is yourself. You litterally have no Comeback other than you are talking bs..... Edited by eaglesdare (08 Mar 2023 3.18pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 23 3.27pm |
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It's not a new opinion, but it wasn't the consensus when the decisions were taken, and you can only ever know what you know when you know it. We know there will be lessons to be learned. That's why we will have the enquiry, during which this kind of argument will doubtless be considered.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Mar 23 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
If you read properly you would see there is numerous dangerous side effects! Mostly mild yes! But there is dangerous ones! Are you saying a blood clot is not dangerous? If you had a blood clot would you go to hospital or just sit there and be like "oh this mild I will be fine"? Maybe 1 in a million gets very bad side effects. 1 in a million is not that much in the world population. I simply do not consent or want to take the chance somthing that could seriously affect my health. Only person being selfish and full of BS is yourself. You litterally have no Comeback other than you are talking bs..... Edited by eaglesdare (08 Mar 2023 3.18pm) From what I gather the vaccine side affects and deaths are higher than in previous vaccine roll outs of the past where they had been withdrawn. I think that happened with 1 in 800 severing health affects.....We won't know what the real figures are for the covid vaccines till later....probably in less polarised times...maybe quite a while then. However, from the research I've seen the 'vaccines are going to kill us' argument doesn't pan out for the vast majority.....has it damaged immune systems or some immune systems? Don't know but we should have an open mind either way. Yes, we have excess deaths at consistent and unacceptable rates. However, when you look at countries that didn't implement lockdowns anything like as badly....guess what....not much excess death and in some cases less deaths....Which is what we should actually expect. My personal view, and it's just my take, I think the health problems and excess death are more in line with the consequences of lockdowns and healthcare re-direction. Though I do think vaccine injury and death has occurred at far higher rates than would be acceptable in a saner.....less corporately funded world.
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| Teddy Eagle 08 Mar 23 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's not a new opinion, but it wasn't the consensus when the decisions were taken, and you can only ever know what you know when you know it. We know there will be lessons to be learned. That's why we will have the enquiry, during which this kind of argument will doubtless be considered. It's not a new opinion but it's not a new article.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 23 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
If you read properly you would see there is numerous dangerous side effects! Mostly mild yes! But there is dangerous ones! Are you saying a blood clot is not dangerous? If you had a blood clot would you go to hospital or just sit there and be like "oh this mild I will be fine"? Maybe 1 in a million gets very bad side effects. 1 in a million is not that much in the world population. I simply do not consent or want to take the chance somthing that could seriously affect my health. Only person being selfish and full of BS is yourself. You litterally have no Comeback other than you are talking bs..... Edited by eaglesdare (08 Mar 2023 3.18pm) Don't be ridiculous. I have pointed out why and where you are talking bs. Any one of us could suffer a blood clot any day of the week. Just getting out of bed carries a risk. The question is not whether anything is risk-free but whether the benefit outweighs the risk. I doubt you stay in bed all day, so you are prepared to take a risk. So it is with the vaccines. The benefits, not only to you personally but to society in general, far outweigh any risk. So bs and selfishness it is. Own them, for they are yours. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Mar 2023 3.37pm)
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| eaglesdare 08 Mar 23 3.38pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Don't be ridiculous. I have pointed out why and where you are talking bs. Any one of us could suffer a blood clot any day of the week. Just getting out of bed carries a risk. The question is not whether anything is risk-free but whether the benefit outweighs the risk. I doubt you stay in bed all day, so you are prepared to take a risk. So it is with the vaccines. The benefits, not only to you personally but to society in general, far outweigh any risk. So bas and selfishness it is. Own them, for they are yours. My point is proven here completely. The benefits of staying vaccine free for me far outweighs the risks of getting one for me that is. So are you saying that a blod clot is not serious? and myocarditis is not serious? as it clearly states in the NHS page these are possible side affects. A simple Yes or NO answer will suffice here. Is a blood clot or myocarditis serious or not? dosent matter if it is vaccine related. Yes or No? Edited by eaglesdare (08 Mar 2023 3.38pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 23 3.44pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It's not a new opinion but it's not a new article. I would expect the book and its arguments to be considered by the enquiry. There is a lot to be learned, so any mistakes can be identified and prepared for the next time. There will have been mistakes. There always will be. It's those who seem to believe that, just because something they believed at the time may yet be found to be better in the future, this proves everything they believe must also be true, that are being pre-emptive. Patience, as with so many long-winded enquiries, is needed.
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berlinpalace  berlin 08 Mar 23 3.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Some might say the only thing consistently embarrassing are your posts. Your first link is yet another attack piece with nothing but opinion as what you seem to think is 'debunking'. It was written in 2020 and includes the amusing line. 'The declaration begins with the false premise that governments intend to lock down society' I guess that kind of sums up what you are producing here. Your second link just screams, '“Herd Immunity” is Not an Answer to a Pandemic'. ? This doesn't even deal with the GBD's main point, which is that herd immunity is inevitable and that infection through younger ages, if they weren't vulnerable, and should be allowed to flow naturally without locking them down, as they where highly unlikely to die....and because they are going to get infected anyway we were spending huge amounts of money for extremely little gain....the GBD was never against vaccinating vulnerable groups...It was called radical and extreme but it only spoke up for the actual pandemic policy that we had. Eh where exactly is this slapdown here? The third link I have some time for but is mostly a passive aggressive piece that even highlights some of the GBD points while also criticizing them. It focuses on Florida, which had a program similar the GBD's ideas. However, it refuses to mention that Florida, ended up with similar outcomes to lockdown states ...in some cases much better (population proximity factoring in) but didn't spend the mad level of money on lockdowns and civil liberty authoritarianism by forcing vaccinations onto many people....threatening them. Florida ended up with no significantly worse outcome and didn't destroy its economy. Similar to WE your arguments have no clothes....perhaps you should visit a nudist beach together.
“Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza. “ “One of the risk groups that we identified was actually children under the age of 5,” Dr. Rao noted. “Heart inflammation is something that can be quite severe in children.” The research also revealed that long COVID is less frequent in children than adults. However, long COVID symptoms and conditions are sending children to the hospital at higher rates than the initial virus infection. Next, Dr. Rao hopes to study if COVID-19 vaccines might help prevent or lesson long COVID symptoms. “We’re starting to see some evidence that it can be helpful in the prevention of long COVID in adults,” Rao said. Allen was not vaccinated against COVID-19 when he got sick. Other international research found long COVID shows up in as many as 1 in 10 children. In adults, it can be as high as 1 in 3.’ I’m sure all the thousands of kids suffering with Long Covid will be fine knowing they were sacrificed on the altar of ideological purity. But never mind, just a bit of ‘flu. The thing that really pisses me off is that pandemic preparation was supposed to be above party politics. Everyone knew something like this was coming and plans should’ve been in place. There’s departments that do this. But all of a sudden we get a bunch of mouthy muppets who think they know better and f*** it up for everyone. I don’t really give a f*** what the US does, the UK’s response was a f***ing shambles partly thanks to bs like the GBD.
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