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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 15 Dec 22 12.30pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

It seems that in today's world protests and strikes are designed to cause maximum damage to the maximum number of people, the hope being that the innocent public that are inconvenienced will somehow support those causing the inconvenience. So, in the case of the train strike workers how about this:
Don't man the ticket offices and leave the barriers open but run the trains as per normal. The result is that the public get to travel for free and are not inconvenienced yet no money is going into the coffers of those that make the decisions.

Is that too simple a solution or do the unions have some form of sadistic mentality?

Obviously strikes are meant to be inconvenient or they're totally worthless, aren't they?

Your suggestion obviously doesn't work because the railway companies are not going to agree to it - it's not up to ground-level staff to decide it's a free service for the day, nor is it up to the unions.


'Sadistic' feels a touch dramatic.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 15 Dec 22 12.33pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

But are they though? How much in wages have the railway workers lost so far in unpaid strike days which will in all probability wipe out whatever raise they eventually get

It's not just about pay as they have said many hundreds of times by now.

It's also about safety on the job, working conditions and job security.

 

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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 15 Dec 22 12.55pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Obviously strikes are meant to be inconvenient or they're totally worthless, aren't they?

Your suggestion obviously doesn't work because the railway companies are not going to agree to it - it's not up to ground-level staff to decide it's a free service for the day, nor is it up to the unions.


'Sadistic' feels a touch dramatic.

Sorry but I don't understand your comment. You say that the railway companies are not going to agree to free travel, but are they agreeing to the strikes? I thought it was the unions, not the railway companies that were calling for and holding the strikes.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 15 Dec 22 1.01pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Sorry but I don't understand your comment. You say that the railway companies are not going to agree to free travel, but are they agreeing to the strikes? I thought it was the unions, not the railway companies that were calling for and holding the strikes.

Withdrawing labour is very different to offering a free service you have no authority to offer.

 

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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 15 Dec 22 1.11pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Withdrawing labour is very different to offering a free service you have no authority to offer.

But surely the union could be selective in which labour they withdraw? Just don't man the ticket booths. The Government/train companies would then suffer (depending on what the contract is) and not the general public.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 15 Dec 22 1.22pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

But surely the union could be selective in which labour they withdraw? Just don't man the ticket booths. The Government/train companies would then suffer (depending on what the contract is) and not the general public.

The train companies never suffer because our government subsidise them every time there is strike action.

Any decision to offer free travel is with the rail companies, not the unions.

If you work in a shop, you can opt not to go to work, but you can start offering out free stock.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It's not just about pay as they have said many hundreds of times by now.

It's also about safety on the job, working conditions and job security.

Have you seen the winter timetable for your area? Southeastern has savagely cut back on lines and number of trains although they deny it. Well if there are less trains than you don't need as many workers. I think this is a major reason for the strike.

 


One more point

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 15 Dec 22 1.47pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Have you seen the winter timetable for your area? Southeastern has savagely cut back on lines and number of trains although they deny it. Well if there are less trains than you don't need as many workers. I think this is a major reason for the strike.

I havenít specifically.

My understanding was the job security point was around automation of certain parts of the work and protection from redundancies. The rail companies are also trying to remove guards from the train, so you only have a driver - Iím sure there wonít be any discount in what they charge consumers as a result.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 15 Dec 22 1.59pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I havenít specifically.

My understanding was the job security point was around automation of certain parts of the work and protection from redundancies. The rail companies are also trying to remove guards from the train, so you only have a driver - Iím sure there wonít be any discount in what they charge consumers as a result.

This is just a small example of what's to come later down the line (no pun intended) across a whole swathe of other industries as automation becomes more and more prevalent.

Can't blame the workers for striking Ė but there is a looming sense of inevitability about job losses in the near future. Trains will become automated, ticket booths will disappear. So fair enough, grab what you can now and try and delay it... but you can't fight the tide.

If you're in accountancy, get to partner level quickly, because that's one massive industry where automation and AI are going to drastically reduce the need for a menial workforce.

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Dec 22 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I havenít specifically.

My understanding was the job security point was around automation of certain parts of the work and protection from redundancies. The rail companies are also trying to remove guards from the train, so you only have a driver - Iím sure there wonít be any discount in what they charge consumers as a result.

Sure all that as well.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Dec 22 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

This is just a small example of what's to come later down the line (no pun intended) across a whole swathe of other industries as automation becomes more and more prevalent.

Can't blame the workers for striking Ė but there is a looming sense of inevitability about job losses in the near future. Trains will become automated, ticket booths will disappear. So fair enough, grab what you can now and try and delay it... but you can't fight the tide.

If you're in accountancy, get to partner level quickly, because that's one massive industry where automation and AI are going to drastically reduce the need for a menial workforce.

Pffft...

It's already been done.

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Edited by Nicholas91 (15 Dec 2022 2.09pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 15 Dec 22 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The train companies never suffer because our government subsidise them every time there is strike action.

Any decision to offer free travel is with the rail companies, not the unions.

If you work in a shop, you can opt not to go to work, but you can start offering out free stock.

So the train companies get paid whether the trains run or not during a strike. So who gets the ticket revenue when the trains do run - the Government or the rail companies?
Who decides what the pay increase should be - the Government or the rail companies?
The danger at the moment for the strikers is the fatigue that the public will feel towards strikes...and the nurses will probably be considered more deserving and the support that the RMT say they've got will wane.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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