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becky over the moon 26 Dec 22 2.25pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, I see I wondered if you would pop up. The Eugenicist that somehow is against abortion. The British nationalist that takes all of his views from a Mickey Mouse perceived version of America that comes from minority extremists. Someone that would sell out the British way of life for an ultra right American stance. The person that is pro freedom of expression yet supports someone picketing people going through a dreadful experience and tries their damnedest to prevent them by pressure tactics from going about their legal rights. Anti religious extremism, yet pro religious (Catholic) extremism, including the perpetrator being arrested after four prior arrests for the same transgression. Yes, I can well see why you don't want to engage. ... and a whole raft of posts mansplaining how some women can be traumatised by other women doing something passive that may or may not affect their active ability to do something that only women can do, by adding to their supposed trauma at doing it in the first place....... a real classic Hol thread... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 26 Dec 22 2.25pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, I see

I wondered if you would pop up.

The Eugenicist that somehow is against abortion.

The British nationalist that takes all of his views from a Mickey Mouse perceived version of America that comes from minority extremists. Someone that would sell out the British way of life for an ultra right American stance.

The person that is pro freedom of expression yet supports someone picketing people going through a dreadful experience and tries their damnedest to prevent them by pressure tactics from going about their legal rights.

Anti religious extremism, yet pro religious (Catholic) extremism, including the perpetrator being arrested after four prior arrests for the same transgression.

Yes, I can well see why you don't want to engage.

... and a whole raft of posts mansplaining how some women can be traumatised by other women doing something passive that may or may not affect their active ability to do something that only women can do, by adding to their supposed trauma at doing it in the first place.......

a real classic Hol thread...

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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PalazioVecchio south pole 26 Dec 22 2.30pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, I see I wondered if you would pop up. The Eugenicist that somehow is against abortion. The British nationalist that takes all of his views from a Mickey Mouse perceived version of America that comes from minority extremists. Someone that would sell out the British way of life for an ultra right American stance. The person that is pro freedom of expression yet supports someone picketing people going through a dreadful experience and tries their damnedest to prevent them by pressure tactics from going about their legal rights. Anti religious extremism, yet pro religious (Catholic) extremism, including the perpetrator being arrested after four prior arrests for the same transgression. Yes, I can well see why you don't want to engage. most of that is incorrect. and anyway, I believe Sterling is a prod ? do you have anything positive to contribute to the argument ? like an opinion on the number of churches vandalised recently in France ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (26 Dec 2022 2.31pm) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, I see

I wondered if you would pop up.

The Eugenicist that somehow is against abortion.

Anti religious extremism, yet pro religious (Catholic) extremism, including the perpetrator being arrested after four prior arrests for the same transgression.

Yes, I can well see why you don't want to engage.

most of that is incorrect. and anyway, I believe Sterling is a prod ?

do you have anything positive to contribute to the argument ?

like an opinion on the number of churches vandalised recently in France ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (26 Dec 2022 2.31pm)

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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georgenorman 26 Dec 22 3.50pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There is no conflict at all in the logic. You are inventing one. The key word is "might". That's why some common sense will be applied. A user might well think that an innocent bystander is intimidating, so an officer will make polite enquiries. If the investigating officer is satisfied that anyone just standing around has no knowledge of a clinic in the vicinity then they will conclude that anyone using it is not going to feel intimidated by them and take no action. But anyone standing around knowing that a clinic is in the vicinity should be arrested.
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26 Dec 22 3.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There is no conflict at all in the logic. You are inventing one.

The key word is "might". That's why some common sense will be applied. A user might well think that an innocent bystander is intimidating, so an officer will make polite enquiries. If the investigating officer is satisfied that anyone just standing around has no knowledge of a clinic in the vicinity then they will conclude that anyone using it is not going to feel intimidated by them and take no action.

But anyone standing around knowing that a clinic is in the vicinity should be arrested.

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Stirlingsays Online 26 Dec 22 3.59pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, I see I wondered if you would pop up. The Eugenicist that somehow is against abortion. The British nationalist that takes all of his views from a Mickey Mouse perceived version of America that comes from minority extremists. Someone that would sell out the British way of life for an ultra right American stance. The person that is pro freedom of expression yet supports someone picketing people going through a dreadful experience and tries their damnedest to prevent them by pressure tactics from going about their legal rights. Anti religious extremism, yet pro religious (Catholic) extremism, including the perpetrator being arrested after four prior arrests for the same transgression. Yes, I can well see why you don't want to engage. I didn't want to engage because this subject makes me very angry and I don't think my family would like me in a mood over this festive period.....I have two small boys running around playing with their new stuff. As for your poor chinglish like description of my politics all I can say is that you see through a darkened mirror. It's typical of many on the left who, ironically, are so steeped in their own stereotypes that they can't understand intellectual opposition to their ideas without caricature. I mean it's your own problem that you can't seem to work out how someone who can see the plain reality of some forms of eugenism would also be against abortion....or at least this modern day attitude of zero consequence entitlement to it. Because for you eugenism fits a specific set of ideas defined by your apparent opposition to it....which to me is nothing short of denying reality. Back in the real world eugenism is just a fact of life and in fields like medicine, sports and other performance fields. Even down to who you decide to reproduce with. You seemingly can't square that with someone who doesn't personally think that human life is disposable waste because it's at an early stage and constituents an inconvenience....a real world consequence to real world actions. Cool, rely on your darkened mirror to see these things. It's a different language and I can't be bothered to translate for you. I'll stop here because none of this is about me and I have other things to do. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Dec 2022 5.13pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Dec 22 3.59pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, I see

I wondered if you would pop up.

The Eugenicist that somehow is against abortion.

Anti religious extremism, yet pro religious (Catholic) extremism, including the perpetrator being arrested after four prior arrests for the same transgression.

Yes, I can well see why you don't want to engage.

I didn't want to engage because this subject makes me very angry and I don't think my family would like me in a mood over this festive period.....I have two small boys running around playing with their new stuff.

As for your poor chinglish like description of my politics all I can say is that you see through a darkened mirror. It's typical of many on the left who, ironically, are so steeped in their own stereotypes that they can't understand intellectual opposition to their ideas without caricature.

I mean it's your own problem that you can't seem to work out how someone who can see the plain reality of some forms of eugenism would also be against abortion....or at least this modern day attitude of zero consequence entitlement to it.

Because for you eugenism fits a specific set of ideas defined by your apparent opposition to it....which to me is nothing short of denying reality. Back in the real world eugenism is just a fact of life and in fields like medicine, sports and other performance fields. Even down to who you decide to reproduce with.

You seemingly can't square that with someone who doesn't personally think that human life is disposable waste because it's at an early stage and constituents an inconvenience....a real world consequence to real world actions.

Cool, rely on your darkened mirror to see these things. It's a different language and I can't be bothered to translate for you.

I'll stop here because none of this is about me and I have other things to do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Dec 2022 5.13pm)

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Stirlingsays Online 26 Dec 22 4.19pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio most of that is incorrect. and anyway, I believe Sterling is a prod ? do you have anything positive to contribute to the argument ? like an opinion on the number of churches vandalised recently in France ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (26 Dec 2022 2.31pm) Christened a Methodist, so yes. I don't believe in personal god religions, but I respect many of the boiled down teachings from them. However, modern Protestantism is drowning in secularised egalitarian universalism. It wrote its own suicide letter and I don't respect that. In terms of respecting my cultural religion it's Catholicism or Orthodox. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Dec 22 4.19pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

most of that is incorrect. and anyway, I believe Sterling is a prod ?

do you have anything positive to contribute to the argument ?

like an opinion on the number of churches vandalised recently in France ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (26 Dec 2022 2.31pm)

Christened a Methodist, so yes.

I don't believe in personal god religions, but I respect many of the boiled down teachings from them. However, modern Protestantism is drowning in secularised egalitarian universalism. It wrote its own suicide letter and I don't respect that.

In terms of respecting my cultural religion it's Catholicism or Orthodox.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 5.09pm
Originally posted by YT You are talking absolute bollocks. How the f*** can someone be intimidated by someone else praying in silence (a protected human right incidentally) and how can the relevant authorities prove that that person was praying in the first place unless the person admits that they were doing so? You obviously get a kick out of trying to justify the unjustifiable, so unfortunately for you, you are going to be somewhat disappointed when the case in question is rightly not pursued or kicked out of court. It’s you talking the bollocks! You might not be intimidated, but a nervous, traumatised woman having the worst day of her life and in a mental mess, could well be. I have no doubt that the person praying would be asked what they are doing and why they are there, unless they have previous, which appears to be the case. Whether the case is pursued is irrelevant. Getting convictions is not the point. It’s ensuring people are not intimidated into taking actions that is. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 5.09pm

Originally posted by YT

You are talking absolute bollocks. How the f*** can someone be intimidated by someone else praying in silence (a protected human right incidentally) and how can the relevant authorities prove that that person was praying in the first place unless the person admits that they were doing so? You obviously get a kick out of trying to justify the unjustifiable, so unfortunately for you, you are going to be somewhat disappointed when the case in question is rightly not pursued or kicked out of court.

It’s you talking the bollocks! You might not be intimidated, but a nervous, traumatised woman having the worst day of her life and in a mental mess, could well be.

I have no doubt that the person praying would be asked what they are doing and why they are there, unless they have previous, which appears to be the case.

Whether the case is pursued is irrelevant. Getting convictions is not the point. It’s ensuring people are not intimidated into taking actions that is.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 5.11pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle But on a previous thread the rights of men to use women's facilities was of primary importance. What about their protection? That’s for that thread and wasn’t what was said anyway. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 5.11pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But on a previous thread the rights of men to use women's facilities was of primary importance. What about their protection?

That’s for that thread and wasn’t what was said anyway.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 5.20pm
Originally posted by becky ... and a whole raft of posts mansplaining how some women can be traumatised by other women doing something passive that may or may not affect their active ability to do something that only women can do, by adding to their supposed trauma at doing it in the first place....... a real classic Hol thread... For those of us who have witnessed relatives or friends traumatised by their need to make a decision over abortion it hardly matters whether you are male or female. If you care, you care. Caring matters to me. Seeing people intimated makes me angry. Men being anti-abortion, when they will never have to experience giving birth, upsets me much more than a man defending a woman’s right to choose. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 5.20pm

Originally posted by becky

a real classic Hol thread...

For those of us who have witnessed relatives or friends traumatised by their need to make a decision over abortion it hardly matters whether you are male or female. If you care, you care.

Caring matters to me. Seeing people intimated makes me angry. Men being anti-abortion, when they will never have to experience giving birth, upsets me much more than a man defending a woman’s right to choose.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 5.25pm
Originally posted by georgenorman But anyone standing around knowing that a clinic is in the vicinity should be arrested. No, they should be quietly spoken to and gently moved on if possible. Arrests would be the last resort, of that I am sure. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 5.25pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

But anyone standing around knowing that a clinic is in the vicinity should be arrested.

No, they should be quietly spoken to and gently moved on if possible. Arrests would be the last resort, of that I am sure.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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georgenorman 26 Dec 22 5.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No, they should be quietly spoken to and gently moved on if possible. Arrests would be the last resort, of that I am sure. 'Quietly spoken to and gently moved on"!!!!!!!!!! You have no grounds for saying that or for saying arrests would be the last resort. You are just making it all up as you go along. The nonsense of the regulation is clear and obvious despite all your squid-ink.
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26 Dec 22 5.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No, they should be quietly spoken to and gently moved on if possible. Arrests would be the last resort, of that I am sure.

'Quietly spoken to and gently moved on"!!!!!!!!!! You have no grounds for saying that or for saying arrests would be the last resort. You are just making it all up as you go along. The nonsense of the regulation is clear and obvious despite all your squid-ink.

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Teddy Eagle 26 Dec 22 5.48pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That’s for that thread and wasn’t what was said anyway. So there was no mention of women needing to be educated on what they should and shouldn't feel concerned about.
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