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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Feb 23 5.46pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Didn't we start that trend when we got promoted?


probably - but it worked for us cos we're still here.

 

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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 03 Feb 23 2.12am Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Really? I think it reflects mid season panic on behalf of the teams listed, a number of unknown quantities and bottom of the barrel cheapo signings in the hope that one or two will come good.
I think we're waiting on a few of the academy players to break through and will see them introduced as the season develops. Otherwise what is the point of the academy if the the youngsters there see others jump the queue. I am aware of the ruling that all PL will have to have an academy, but nevertheless...

what's the point in the academy?

Missing the point if that's what you think it's about - I see clubs around us getting reinforcements, getting subs that can make a difference, having options. Will they for sure make a difference.. who knows, but they are betting on them for that reason.

We are standing still... those two signings... a loan and an unproven at this level.. I doubt they will have an impact..

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 03 Feb 23 6.16am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow



what's the point in the academy?

Missing the point if that's what you think it's about - I see clubs around us getting reinforcements, getting subs that can make a difference, having options. Will they for sure make a difference.. who knows, but they are betting on them for that reason.

We are standing still... those two signings... a loan and an unproven at this level.. I doubt they will have an impact..

"We are not here to create football players for elite clubs – we are here to try to win things. That is where I want to get to. I want to compete with these guys"
" is what I would like to see. It might be a delusional aspiration but I don't understand the point of doing it otherwise"

Steve Parish from a few years ago talking about the academy.

The club could have signed triple the number of players you mention, possibly just as ineffective. I not sure what type of signing you are after - higher end quality comes at a price and we don't have those funds available.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (03 Feb 2023 8.00am)

 

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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 03 Feb 23 6.40am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

I think the standard in the Premier League is now so high you are talking about only the best of the best are now making it into the playing squads. I've read some articles today about the other major European leagues complaining they are now just becoming feeder clubs to the EPL and only surviving from the large sums of players transferred to the league. They are no longer in competition with the EPL clubs.
Developing a player who is going to successfully play at this level is now going to be harder than ever. Having said that the cost of the players are now so high it literally will only take the 1 gem every few years to cover the acadamy costs - think AWB. Chelsea who brought all the best young kids a few years back have had a lot of high level players come through and make it but they have not maximised their investment frequently letting them go cheaply and then buying them back at a higher price.
Realistically if we can produce a decent amount of at least Div 1 and even Championship players over time these will still attract decent fees even if they don't end up playing for Palace.
Hopefully the odd gem will still come along and be the icing on the cake and help boost the playing squad.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Feb 23 8.38am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by viveasheagle

I think the standard in the Premier League is now so high you are talking about only the best of the best are now making it into the playing squads. I've read some articles today about the other major European leagues complaining they are now just becoming feeder clubs to the EPL and only surviving from the large sums of players transferred to the league. They are no longer in competition with the EPL clubs.
Developing a player who is going to successfully play at this level is now going to be harder than ever. Having said that the cost of the players are now so high it literally will only take the 1 gem every few years to cover the acadamy costs - think AWB. Chelsea who brought all the best young kids a few years back have had a lot of high level players come through and make it but they have not maximised their investment frequently letting them go cheaply and then buying them back at a higher price.
Realistically if we can produce a decent amount of at least Div 1 and even Championship players over time these will still attract decent fees even if they don't end up playing for Palace.
Hopefully the odd gem will still come along and be the icing on the cake and help boost the playing squad.

I'm guessing the BBC column is among them - [Link]

When you look at the sums and comparative figures provided is is quite insane, a decent and thought provoking read.

Agree with your comments. Does have the feeling of being unsustainable over a given period of time so perhaps the investment in youth and the academy, whilst it may feel a bit useless and frustrating now, will pay dividends if not just help us avoid sincere catastrophe in the long run.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 03 Feb 23 3.13pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I'm guessing the BBC column is among them - [Link]

When you look at the sums and comparative figures provided is is quite insane, a decent and thought provoking read.

Agree with your comments. Does have the feeling of being unsustainable over a given period of time so perhaps the investment in youth and the academy, whilst it may feel a bit useless and frustrating now, will pay dividends if not just help us avoid sincere catastrophe in the long run.

The academy is what it is, it's not a new invention, many clubs are in the category one status list:-

Category One Academy List
The following clubs have the elite Category One status under the Premier League’s Elite Players Performance Plan (EPPP).

Arsenal FC Academy
Aston Villa FC Academy
Blackburn Rovers FC Academy
Brighton FC Academy
Crystal Palace FC Academy
Chelsea FC Academy
Derby County FC Academy
Everton FC Academy
Fulham FC Academy
Leicester City FC Academy
Liverpool FC Academy
Newcastle United FC Academy
Manchester City FC Academy Manchester United FC Academy
Middlesbrough FC Academy
Norwich City FC Academy
Reading FC Academy
Southampton FC Academy
Stoke City FC Academy
Sunderland Athletic FC Academy
Swansea City AFC Academy
Tottenham Hotspurs FC Academy
West Bromwich Albion FC Academy
West Ham United Academy
Wolverhampton Wanderers FC Academy

None of the teams above have been able to survive on the output of the academy alone and the future will be no different the likes of AWB are few and far between, that is confirmed when you look at how teams, at all levels of professional football these days rely a lot on overseas players when compared to home grown talent.I'm afraid the future is a blend of both and sadly high transfer fees will always have to be part of a clubs budget if they want to survive at the highest level.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Feb 23 3.36pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 04 Feb 23 2.33pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

And so it starts. Dyche has already changed Everton, that didn’t take long. So they are probably one to discount going down!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Feb 23 2.36pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

And so it starts. Dyche has already changed Everton, that didn’t take long. So they are probably one to discount going down!

Hopefully Manager bounce that wont last but I doubt it. They do have some decent players and if Dyche can't keep them up I doubt anyone could.

 


One more point

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View stringmail's Profile stringmail Flag Anytown 04 Feb 23 3.23pm Send a Private Message to stringmail Add stringmail as a friend

Inauspicious start to today's fixtures. Everton win, Wolves up 2 early against Liverpool, Villa gives up ridiculous goal and we give up early penalty.

It appears the bottom half will become even tighter unless things take a quick turn.

 

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View Croydon-Trucker's Profile Croydon-Trucker Flag 04 Feb 23 5.29pm Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Yep 6 points off the bottom 3 now , Squeaky bum time !

 

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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 04 Feb 23 5.53pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

"We are not here to create football players for elite clubs – we are here to try to win things. That is where I want to get to. I want to compete with these guys"
" is what I would like to see. It might be a delusional aspiration but I don't understand the point of doing it otherwise"

Steve Parish from a few years ago talking about the academy.

The club could have signed triple the number of players you mention, possibly just as ineffective. I not sure what type of signing you are after - higher end quality comes at a price and we don't have those funds available.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (03 Feb 2023 8.00am)

You bought up the academy, when that was never in question regarding what other clubs are doing.

I look around and see clubs bringing in players that will help their cause short term, presumably long term too.

You would rather recall kids from barnet.
Sure you would rather blood them in, I get that... but a relegation scrap is never the time to do that when there is a perfectly good transfer window to do that.

This window, yet again, we dropped the ball.

We get what we deserve.


 


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