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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 10 Feb 23 1.25pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten

What concerns me the most, is the expectation that in 3-4 years time the academy will be churning out players that will be good enough for the first team. Even allowing for loan spells etc, we would be lucky to produce 1 player every couple of years that is of Premier League standard. It may save us some money, but it will need to be mixed with investment and shrewd buying for us to continue to stay in the Premier League.

Other clubs have larger financial clout. If we can't match it then eventually we will go down. The only thing I can see stopping us going down in the next couple of seasons is if the big 6/7 get their breakaway league and then 6/7 teams come up from the Championship.

I'm not sure it is the expectation, at least not from me it isn't. A first team player every 3/4 years is probably good enough. Don't think that would be much worse than any other team in the league.

As you said investment and shrewd buying is going to be the thing that does it for us. What has hamstrung us in reason years is that we generate next to zero transfer fee on players.

We have seen a stark transition away from buying old players, to building for the future. And we are now in the position where you'd assume that Anderson, Richards, Guéhi, Olise, Eze, Doucore and obviously Mitchell are worth more than what we paid for them.

With the above + Ahmanda, we have the base of a team that are all yet to reach their prime.

With a couple of other young additions in the summer the foundations will be there, and so we wont always feel like we need complete overhauls every window.

 

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Originally posted by fish mitten

What concerns me the most, is the expectation that in 3-4 years time the academy will be churning out players that will be good enough for the first team. Even allowing for loan spells etc, we would be lucky to produce 1 player every couple of years that is of Premier League standard. It may save us some money, but it will need to be mixed with investment and shrewd buying for us to continue to stay in the Premier League.

Other clubs have larger financial clout. If we can't match it then eventually we will go down. The only thing I can see stopping us going down in the next couple of seasons is if the big 6/7 get their breakaway league and then 6/7 teams come up from the Championship.

It's always going to be difficult for a club like Palace as comparative financial pygmies. I find the activities of our own version of Mr Moneybag, John Textor, baffling and disillusioning . He's building his own empire of clubs from Brazil to France and it's not apparent to me that there's much benefit for Palace.

 

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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 10 Feb 23 3.25pm Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

Very good point made about the base of the team.

It's the back-ups where we seem so light. I look at our bench and I think the options we have from it are the worst they have been for a few seasons. Plenty of these need replacing in the summer and recent transfer windows suggest give me little confidence.

We do have a few very sellable assets. Problem is the 5-6 players needed in the summer before thinking about replacing players we may sell. We have kicked the can down the road so much in the last 2 windows that we have given ourselves a tough task in the summer, if we keep our Premier League place.


Originally posted by MrRobbo

I'm not sure it is the expectation, at least not from me it isn't. A first team player every 3/4 years is probably good enough. Don't think that would be much worse than any other team in the league.

As you said investment and shrewd buying is going to be the thing that does it for us. What has hamstrung us in reason years is that we generate next to zero transfer fee on players.

We have seen a stark transition away from buying old players, to building for the future. And we are now in the position where you'd assume that Anderson, Richards, Guéhi, Olise, Eze, Doucore and obviously Mitchell are worth more than what we paid for them.

With the above + Ahmanda, we have the base of a team that are all yet to reach their prime.

With a couple of other young additions in the summer the foundations will be there, and so we wont always feel like we need complete overhauls every window.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 10 Feb 23 4.21pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten

Very good point made about the base of the team.

It's the back-ups where we seem so light. I look at our bench and I think the options we have from it are the worst they have been for a few seasons. Plenty of these need replacing in the summer and recent transfer windows suggest give me little confidence.

We do have a few very sellable assets. Problem is the 5-6 players needed in the summer before thinking about replacing players we may sell. We have kicked the can down the road so much in the last 2 windows that we have given ourselves a tough task in the summer, if we keep our Premier League place.


Personally I think we've done reasonably well over the last 2 years, its the kicking hte can down the road for previous 5 years that has caused the issues.

We've gone from having the oldest team in the league in 2020/21 to the 13th oldest this year. Shifting a bit more dead wood in the summer will help that further.

Not that the metric means too much on its own, but it shows quite how much needed to be undone.

 

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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 11 Feb 23 2.55am Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Our last period in the second-tier I remember the club pumping singing through the Tannoy system to try and create an atmosphere and hoping Alan Lee would punch someone just to add some excitement. Some of the football during the wilderness years under the likes of Taylor and Burley was awful.

I have periods where I hate what the modern PL stands for with billionaires treating clubs as toys or just as investments, entitled players and this idea that anyone who isn't the big 6 are somehow disposable. I watched the Wrexham v Sheffield United FA Cup first game and it was everything football should be: passion, excitement, blood and guts football. But, I don't think us returning to the Championship would improve things. I do however think that the investment in the academy might mean we might be better insulated against collapse if we did go down, as players like Rak-Sakyi, Phillips, O'Brien, Balmer and Ozoh might thrive at that level.

Great comment and aligns with my view.

I feel a lot of people have forgotten just how much fun football can be, when you produce your own, get a taste of success and feel like a community.

Said it before, we should lock in an acadamy, focus on a style of play that stems the entire DNA of our club and see where that gets us, but sticking to it at al costs.

No point selling your soul if you are forever in purgatory

 


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View Oxford Don's Profile Oxford Don Flag North West of SP 11 Feb 23 7.49am Send a Private Message to Oxford Don Add Oxford Don as a friend

By 5pm I predict this thread will either disappear into oblivion or go ballistic - I hope the former and fear the latter.

Now over to 'Brighton Predictions'...

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 11 Feb 23 8.08am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

Great comment and aligns with my view.

I feel a lot of people have forgotten just how much fun football can be, when you produce your own, get a taste of success and feel like a community.

Said it before, we should lock in an acadamy, focus on a style of play that stems the entire DNA of our club and see where that gets us, but sticking to it at al costs.

No point selling your soul if you are forever in purgatory

Very good

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 11 Feb 23 9.40am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

Great comment and aligns with my view.

I feel a lot of people have forgotten just how much fun football can be, when you produce your own, get a taste of success and feel like a community.

Said it before, we should lock in an acadamy, focus on a style of play that stems the entire DNA of our club and see where that gets us, but sticking to it at al costs.

No point selling your soul if you are forever in purgatory

Do you think PV knows what the DNA of our club is?

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Do you think PV knows what the DNA of our club is?

Do you?
A club that once was known as the Glaziers then became the Eagles, a club that once played in claret and blue, then played in red and blue. A club on the brink of extinction in 2010 then back from the dead. A club that has played attractive progressive football to the most direst park the bus dross.
In the end a club is its supporters and the area it represents.

 

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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Do you?
A club that once was known as the Glaziers then became the Eagles, a club that once played in claret and blue, then played in red and blue. A club on the brink of extinction in 2010 then back from the dead. A club that has played attractive progressive football to the most direst park the bus dross.
In the end a club is its supporters and the area it represents.

I Know what i think the DNA is my Opinion, Hard Work, Loyalty, Comradeship, Aggression, No primadonna´s, delopeing players whether bought or youngsters, having the underdog attitude, that to me is our DNA

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I Know what i think the DNA is my Opinion, Hard Work, Loyalty, Comradeship, Aggression, No primadonna´s, delopeing players whether bought or youngsters, having the underdog attitude, that to me is our DNA

Diego Simeone fits the bill perfectly. How do we prize him away from Atletico Madrid?

 

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That’s a good summary. I would add speedy and skilful wingers that can turn defence into a fast counter-attack. One of Andros Townsend’s Palace highlights was that goal away at Man City where he collected the ball just outside his penalty area and ran the full length of the pitch to score. Think of the likes of Vince Hilaire, John Salako and of course Wilf for further examples

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I Know what i think the DNA is my Opinion, Hard Work, Loyalty, Comradeship, Aggression, No primadonna´s, delopeing players whether bought or youngsters, having the underdog attitude, that to me is our DNA

 

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