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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Jan 23 7.58pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider


Interesting to note Lens ended last season 7th
They are currently 2nd tucked in just behind PSG and ahead of Marseille.

Are you saying Doucoure is the reason? IMOhe has been one of the few shining lights this season. Give him some decent midfield support and you will see what a player we have

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Jan 23 8.00pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

Maybe we should buy his replacement in the Lens team and play them both. We are too lightweight with Eze, Schlup and Olise. I would use Eze/Olise as an impact sub and play Hughes in there in the absence of a better alternative

Or go all out fir his partner, Fofana. They were a very good partnership. Talk of Doucoure not being a PL player is ridiculous

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Jan 23 8.50pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Or go all out fir his partner, Fofana. They were a very good partnership. Talk of Doucoure not being a PL player is ridiculous

Very strongly agree.

It’s on a par in terms of ridiculousness with suggesting he is an entire PL midfield!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 05 Jan 23 11.52pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Are you saying Doucoure is the reason? IMOhe has been one of the few shining lights this season. Give him some decent midfield support and you will see what a player we have

No. But it makes you wonder why he left.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 05 Jan 23 11.58pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

A la Lanzo:

GK: Guaita/Johnstone

RB: New
CB: Guehi
CB: Andersen
LB: New

CM: New
CM: Doucoure
CAM: Eze

LW: Zaha
CF: Mateta/Edouard/New
RW: Olise

Right on. Now just show us the money.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 06 Jan 23 12.02am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

That’s back to back shockers at home, but I don't think Vieria is getting anything terribly wrong when it comes to team selection and tactics. If he was playing the goalie upfront and the striker at right-back then fair enough, but otherwise these things are (firstly) a matter of opinion -and opinions are a bit like arseholes, we've all got one- and (secondly) a far smaller part of any particular result than modern football likes to accept.

English football clubs have moved away from Managers whose work should be judged in the long term, to Coaches, who have a ‘Philosophy’. This may variously involve playing with a high line, or a deep block, or a false nine, or maybe even one of the players laying down behind the defensive wall at free kicks, but either way, tactics and team selections seem to have gone from being a method of trying to achieve medium-to-long term targets to being the decisive factor in specific results. Once, it was only ever players that were held responsible for their performances on a match-by-match basis, whilst the manager was assessed over the long term. Now Liverpool vs Man City is somehow Klopp's tactics played out against Guardiolas, the players simply chess pieces.

This seems to suit the clubs (who preach about stability but actually want a ‘panic’ button to press if relegation looms), the players (who take less and less responsibility for their clubs fortunes with every passing year), the ‘Coaches’ themselves (who get work on the basis that they can and will offer an instant fix), and of course the fans (who now need someone to blame, not for the medium to long term fate of their club, but for each and every bad result).

It wasn’t Vieria who gave the ball away for the second goal, and then stood there watching Kane in oceans of space. Clyne and Anderson getting turned inside out like a pair of socks for the third goal has nothing to do with tactics. Should it really be up to the coaching staff to tell Anderson and Guehi not to get lost under a high ball as they both managed to do for the fourth goal? In what set of tactics is that anything other than simply awful play from them?

As for criticisms that the club is unlikely to spend big this January, I can only advise typing the following into a search engine: ‘CPFC Published Accounts’, ‘FFP’, ‘Reality’.

That won’t show shareholders pockets, how deep they are and how keen they are to spend on CPFC.

 

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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 06 Jan 23 3.32am Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

The bournemouth win didn't fool me, sure we scored two... but it was not the performance I wanted after Fulham. We should have demolished them, how spurs demolished us, heck Bournemouth didn't even register a shot until 85th minute.

It's going to a long, cold, lonely January.

 


This was once a quality forum....

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 06 Jan 23 7.20am Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Watch out sounds like some are suggesting that issues sit above PV and rest with the board.

It is forbidden to speak badly of the glorious leader Mr Parish and if you do you will be derided and informed that he is the saviour beyond reproach.

But we are now seeing results of years of underinvestment coming home to haunt us. Years of poor buys, players who have never and would never play for the club, years of keeping players well past their sell by date, years of chasing a costly vanity project in a new stand.

We now have overseas shareholders who rightly want value from their investments

I might dare to suggest things are looking a bit grim ATM.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 06 Jan 23 7.59am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

Could you not just say I agree


Why use two words when you can use plenty?

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 06 Jan 23 8.12am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Why use two words when you can use plenty?

Cost of speaking crisis

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 06 Jan 23 8.25am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Watch out sounds like some are suggesting that issues sit above PV and rest with the board.

It is forbidden to speak badly of the glorious leader Mr Parish and if you do you will be derided and informed that he is the saviour beyond reproach.

But we are now seeing results of years of underinvestment coming home to haunt us. Years of poor buys, players who have never and would never play for the club, years of keeping players well past their sell by date, years of chasing a costly vanity project in a new stand.

We now have overseas shareholders who rightly want value from their investments

I might dare to suggest things are looking a bit grim ATM.

How many other clubs, that have been in administration twice in the last 25 years and are in our position of 10 years in the Premier. There are plenty of ex big clubs that would love to be in our position.
It’s no point saying the board should invest more, it’s a business and just pouring in money isn’t viable, as clubs need to be sustainable and we have been down the route of pouring in money and ended up skint.
The issue lies in recruitment, we just don’t appear to be picking up players in Europe that can fit into the first team. Teams like Brentford, Fulham and Brighton seem to do it regularly

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jan 23 8.31am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

How many other clubs, that have been in administration twice in the last 25 years and are in our position of 10 years in the Premier. There are plenty of ex big clubs that would love to be in our position.
It’s no point saying the board should invest more, it’s a business and just pouring in money isn’t viable, as clubs need to be sustainable and we have been down the route of pouring in money and ended up skint.
The issue lies in recruitment, we just don’t appear to be picking up players in Europe that can fit into the first team. Teams like Brentford, Fulham and Brighton seem to do it regularly

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