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DenTyler Sidcup 17 Jan 23 9.33pm
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad Agreed, it wasn't long ago that Leicester won the Premier league with Robert Huth an Wes Morgan at CB, Kante and Drinkwater, two DCM and 29% possession, but with great pace, counter attack football Also, would it not be a cheaper solution? Ball playing players are silly money, even the half talented ones. Probably a lot cheaper to find some old school long ball merchants. I can’t believe I’m advocating this type of football but we simply cannot compete with the big boys so why why try. Refs are letting more go, plenty more fish in that particular pool and if nothing else can you imagine Pep and like getting all worked up because little old Palace spoiled the party and didn’t just roll over. May also bring back the spirit that is being talked about.
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Sidcup 17 Jan 23 9.33pm

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Agreed, it wasn't long ago that Leicester won the Premier league with Robert Huth an Wes Morgan at CB, Kante and Drinkwater, two DCM and 29% possession, but with great pace, counter attack football

Also, would it not be a cheaper solution? Ball playing players are silly money, even the half talented ones. Probably a lot cheaper to find some old school long ball merchants.

I can’t believe I’m advocating this type of football but we simply cannot compete with the big boys so why why try. Refs are letting more go, plenty more fish in that particular pool and if nothing else can you imagine Pep and like getting all worked up because little old Palace spoiled the party and didn’t just roll over. May also bring back the spirit that is being talked about.

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auk 17 Jan 23 9.41pm
I always thought Conor Gallagher played with plenty of spirit. Likewise, in our promotion season,Joniesta. They had great rapport with the fans. Our current team plays plenty with determination, but I don't see much fire in the collective belly - especially when things aren't going our way. Shaun Derry will be aware of this, but what is his role in the management team? Maybe just one astute signing might do the trick. Edited by auk (17 Jan 2023 9.41pm)
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17 Jan 23 9.41pm

I always thought Conor Gallagher played with plenty of spirit. Likewise, in our promotion season,Joniesta.

They had great rapport with the fans.

Our current team plays plenty with determination, but I don't see much fire in the collective belly - especially when things aren't going our way.

Shaun Derry will be aware of this, but what is his role in the management team?

Maybe just one astute signing might do the trick.

Edited by auk (17 Jan 2023 9.41pm)

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bryne and holton 17 Jan 23 9.42pm
The predominance of Afro- Caribbean cultural values may possibly be to blame for the lack of spirit ,determination and necessary aggression in the team . Need more of the Jedinak,Clint Hill, Delaney type of players.
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17 Jan 23 9.42pm

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The predominance of Afro- Caribbean cultural values may
possibly be to blame for the lack of spirit ,determination
and necessary aggression in the team . Need more of the
Jedinak,Clint Hill, Delaney type of players.

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sydtheeagle England 17 Jan 23 9.54pm
Originally posted by auk I always thought Conor Gallagher played with plenty of spirit. I was thinking exactly this earlier today. I was trying to think of "real Palace players" from the past year or two (not an easy task) and one of the few I came up with wasn't even ours; Conor. Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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sydtheeagle

England 17 Jan 23 9.54pm

Originally posted by auk

I always thought Conor Gallagher played with plenty of spirit.

I was thinking exactly this earlier today. I was trying to think of "real Palace players" from the past year or two (not an easy task) and one of the few I came up with wasn't even ours; Conor.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 17 Jan 23 10.19pm
As others have said the Premier League is very different from ten years ago and I think the team from 2013-14 would finish rock bottom now with or without Pulis. I always thought that Roy built spirit and resilience in his teams at West Brom and Palace whatever your perception of his coaching methods (possibly as a result of them being so dull as has been alleged). There were warning signs of a softness in the squad last season but this seemed to improve a bit after Christmas.
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As others have said the Premier League is very different from ten years ago and I think the team from 2013-14 would finish rock bottom now with or without Pulis.

I always thought that Roy built spirit and resilience in his teams at West Brom and Palace whatever your perception of his coaching methods (possibly as a result of them being so dull as has been alleged).

There were warning signs of a softness in the squad last season but this seemed to improve a bit after Christmas.

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 18 Jan 23 1.35am
Originally posted by bryne and holton The predominance of Afro- Caribbean cultural values may possibly be to blame for the lack of spirit ,determination and necessary aggression in the team . Need more of the Jedinak,Clint Hill, Delaney type of players. That's an interesting comment for sure... This was once a quality forum....
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vancouver/croydon 18 Jan 23 1.35am

Originally posted by bryne and holton

That's an interesting comment for sure...

This was once a quality forum....

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Midlands Eagle 18 Jan 23 7.11am
Originally posted by bryne and holton The predominance of Afro- Caribbean cultural values may possibly be to blame for the lack of spirit ,determination and necessary aggression in the team . Need more of the Jedinak,Clint Hill, Delaney type of players. I think that the fact that Jedinak, Clint Hill and Delaney were white is just purely co-incidental as there are plenty of black players with the attributes that you mention including our very own Claude Davis
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Originally posted by bryne and holton

I think that the fact that Jedinak, Clint Hill and Delaney were white is just purely co-incidental as there are plenty of black players with the attributes that you mention including our very own Claude Davis

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Midlands Eagle 18 Jan 23 7.13am
Originally posted by sydtheeagle You may be right, but if you are our owners are little more than a pair of idiots. We are exactly what we were when they bought us in the first place, possibly slightly better and more valuable today. So one wonders what kind of due diligence they did before buying an asset that appears not to serve their purpose at all. Perhaps we were just a practice run
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Midlands Eagle

18 Jan 23 7.13am

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

You may be right, but if you are our owners are little more than a pair of idiots. We are exactly what we were when they bought us in the first place, possibly slightly better and more valuable today. So one wonders what kind of due diligence they did before buying an asset that appears not to serve their purpose at all.

Perhaps we were just a practice run

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Jan 23 7.38am
Originally posted by bryne and holton The predominance of Afro- Caribbean cultural values may possibly be to blame for the lack of spirit ,determination and necessary aggression in the team . Need more of the Jedinak,Clint Hill, Delaney type of players. If you didn’t sell to Goldberg… COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Jan 23 7.38am

Originally posted by bryne and holton

If you didn’t sell to Goldberg…

COYP

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Jan 23 8.03am
Originally posted by bryne and holton The predominance of Afro- Caribbean cultural values may possibly be to blame for the lack of spirit ,determination and necessary aggression in the team . Need more of the Jedinak,Clint Hill, Delaney type of players. F***ing 'el. If we really wanted to descend into cultural, mass-labelling of our squad, completely separated from football, I'd look up 'Generation Z' which might be more relevant if anything is at all. Resorting to 'white players work harder' is a very strange comment indeed. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Jan 23 8.03am

Originally posted by bryne and holton

F***ing 'el.

If we really wanted to descend into cultural, mass-labelling of our squad, completely separated from football, I'd look up 'Generation Z' which might be more relevant if anything is at all.

Resorting to 'white players work harder' is a very strange comment indeed.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Croydon-Trucker 18 Jan 23 8.10am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I think that the fact that Jedinak, Clint Hill and Delaney were white is just purely co-incidental as there are plenty of black players with the attributes that you mention including our very own Claude Davis Agreed colour has nothing to do with it .
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18 Jan 23 8.10am

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Agreed colour has nothing to do with it .

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southnorwoodhill 18 Jan 23 8.16am
Originally posted by bryne and holton The predominance of Afro- Caribbean cultural values may possibly be to blame for the lack of spirit ,determination and necessary aggression in the team . Need more of the Jedinak,Clint Hill, Delaney type of players. Ian Wright, Mark Bright, Andy Gray, Dean Gordon, Eric Young, Clinton Morrison, just a few who spring quickly to mind to counter your nonsense. What is required is the understanding by the pampered modern day footballer of the Palace ethic, ie the spirit that the thread title is referring to. Bottom of the ground covered stats, players looking unfit - this stems from the manager and coaching staff, up to the board and DOF who are responsible for bringing in the right sort of player and management team.
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Originally posted by bryne and holton

Ian Wright, Mark Bright, Andy Gray, Dean Gordon, Eric Young, Clinton Morrison, just a few who spring quickly to mind to counter your nonsense.
What is required is the understanding by the pampered modern day footballer of the Palace ethic, ie the spirit that the thread title is referring to. Bottom of the ground covered stats, players looking unfit - this stems from the manager and coaching staff, up to the board and DOF who are responsible for bringing in the right sort of player and management team.

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