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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 11 Feb 23 10.46pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Mateta, Ayew, Schlupp. Mitchell, Clyne, Tomkins.

6 of our starters wouldn’t get a run out for any other team in the division.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Feb 23 10.54pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

I'm sure it's all been said already, but our performance today was truly one of the worst I have ever seen by a Palace side.

How on earth did we get a point?

I know we had some key players missing, but Vieira has to be in danger of getting the sack after that. It smacked of a manager who has lost the dressing room.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 11 Feb 23 10.57pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

We didn't learn anything new about Mateta today.
He can't jump, head the ball, hold up the ball,put defenders under pressure or link play.
We knew all this before, so I don't know why he's asked to do it.
I'm not having a go at him, but just stating what we can all see.

His only strength is getting shots away quickly in the penalty area, but we get to the area so rarely this strength is largely negated.
He had two chances today and one v Newcastle when the ball actually reached him.
Edouard on the other hand comes towards the ball but moves often break down around him and he doesn't appear to be the sort of striker(e.g Murray) who lives for goals despite his record in Scotland.

This is why Vieira has often left both out.
What's Vieira to do if they genuinely don't have the requisite quality?
He's tried Zaha there, but he's hit and miss as striker and is currently injured anyway.
Personally I'd play Ayew there as he will battle, win free kicks and unsettle defenders even if he's unlikely to score.
This is more than Edouard and Mateta offer.

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 11 Feb 23 11.14pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Ironic that we look more and more like a final season Hodgson team with each passing game - low possession stats, few chances, backs to the wall defending, hoping for a lucky break. Last season was more like fantasy football whereby the loanee comes good and actually shows up the dross already at the club on permanent contracts.

I was only saying the same thing to my friends alongside me at the game today - it's like watching Palace in Hodgson's final season with us. Dire.

The thing that really struck me today is just how poor our passing is. No wonder we score so few goals. So many of our advances toward the opposition penalty area peter out with misplaced passes.

For a Premier League side this is just not good enough.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Feb 23 11.25pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

I was only saying the same thing to my friends alongside me at the game today - it's like watching Palace in Hodgson's final season with us. Dire.

The thing that really struck me today is just how poor our passing is. No wonder we score so few goals. So many of our advances toward the opposition penalty area peter out with misplaced passes.

For a Premier League side this is just not good enough.

On a similar note, I remarked to my crowd how BHA have some really good players, a cohesive unit and just looked like a really well drilled, good professional football team.

We looked the complete opposite. Little quality, no composure on ball, no work rate, no real plan for the ball (tactics) and no real identity.

Today feels like a papering over the cracks. There’s sincere change needed otherwise our luck will run out as will our PL status.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View robdave2k's Profile robdave2k Flag 11 Feb 23 11.41pm Send a Private Message to robdave2k Add robdave2k as a friend

The lack of energy is the most worrying thing.

No urgency, no tactics, no leadership.

Firmly in the Vieira out camp now. As he’s the head of what appears to be a very poor coaching setup -

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Feb 23 11.43pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

According to MoTD our starting XI had 5 goals between them all season. Awful

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 23 12.24am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by robdave2k

The lack of energy is the most worrying thing.

No urgency, no tactics, no leadership.

Firmly in the Vieira out camp now. As he’s the head of what appears to be a very poor coaching setup -

The 'Camp' is gaining more members every day.
All the positivity of last season has dissipated and the team has regressed alarmingly.
Today was a complete shambles but Vieira was smiling and saying he is happy with a point.
25% possession, 1 shot on target and 1 corner in a home match.A goal gifted by the goalkeeper.The portents are NOT encouraging at all.

 

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View bright&wright's Profile bright&wright Flag 12 Feb 23 12.30am Send a Private Message to bright&wright Add bright&wright as a friend

Vieira has learnt nothing from his time at Lille. He lost his job there because he had no team identity and no plan B.

We have needed a right back since AWB left. He left in 2019.

We have 1 out and out left back in Mitchell. He has no true competition and unfortunately is bang average.

We bought Richards and only ended up playing him when Anderson and Tomkins were out.

We seem to have zero knowledge of the transfer market. La Liga teams like Valencia and Villareal have financial issues and other teams recognise this but never us. We should have approached Danjuma on the 1st Jan not when he was having a medical at Everton. Exactly the same with Semenyo.

Year after year we are so slow to buying players. We bought Doucoure and thought we were the smartest club in the world.

Our under 21 and under 18's teams are now up there with the best in the country and yet we have ZERO players ready and knocking on the 1st team door. We loan out 21 year old to Bromley.

 


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View Mathers's Profile Mathers Flag 12 Feb 23 12.37am Send a Private Message to Mathers Add Mathers as a friend

Originally posted by CT Charlie

A little perspective.

Since Christmas Day in all competitions Brighton's record has been 6-1-1 with the only loss being a 2-4 defeat to Arsenal. In those 8 matches they scored 22 goals and gave up 10. [Remove the two outlier games, Arsenal and Middlesborough, and they are 5-1-0 while scoring 15 goals and yielding 6.] They are a far superior club at the moment – grating, but there it is.

No Zaha, no Andersen, no Player-of-the-Month Richards, and two brand-new midfielders... Let's count our blessings, improve our fitness, look for a striker in summer, and COYP.

Improve our fitness?? It’s February. Fitness work should have been done in pre-season or the 4 week WC we just had. The stats regarding our sprints and distance covered are horrifying and blame for that sits entirely with PV.

I can’t see vieira lasting the season. We are sleep walking into the championship with the same starting XI, same formation and same boring game plan.

We only got a point today thanks to an awful gk error and a lot of luck.

 

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View Jimmy Doyle's Profile Jimmy Doyle Flag Narathiwat 12 Feb 23 12.46am Send a Private Message to Jimmy Doyle Add Jimmy Doyle as a friend

I've lost confidence in Patrick and Oisin, they appear to be tactically naive. A fluid Brighton made us look shoite.

 

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View Wilbraham413's Profile Wilbraham413 Flag 12 Feb 23 4.25am Send a Private Message to Wilbraham413 Add Wilbraham413 as a friend

Originally posted by robdave2k

The lack of energy is the most worrying thing.

No urgency, no tactics, no leadership.

Firmly in the Vieira out camp now. As he’s the head of what appears to be a very poor coaching setup -

Same for me.

I watch other matches, and see teams, even crap teams, giving 100%, tons of energy and high work rate. Bournemouth are obviously total crap, but they gave it their all today against Newcastle, and the crowd was loudly behind their efforts. Then I watch us, players walking and jogging for 90 minutes.

Giving 100% effort should be the bare minimum requirement of the players. Ok, maybe some matches we may be flat, but not every match, all season long. Whatever Vieira is selling, the players are not buying it. They all look passive, scared, and powderpuff, even playing at home against our main rival.

In terms of tactics and motivation, PV doesn't have it. Or if he does, he better start showing it, or we'll have a new manager by April.

 


2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro
2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley
2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth
2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle

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