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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 25 Mar 23 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I thought this was a load of pretentious rubbish from people that didn't really understand the game when I saw this rather than a positive. Apart from the fact that I get massively irritated by the idea of stifling young players' development by insisting they play in certain way, the idea that you introduce such an idea so early in transition process is complete stupidity in my opinion. Hopefully all these blokes will take their ipads and piss off back to playing FIFA.

To be fair that approach is the one Ajax used developing the team of the 90's and the most forward thinking youth development program that was the envy of that era.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 23 1.02pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I may be alone, but I'm actually looking forward to football under Roy. Three reasons:

1. He has many more creative, skillful players at his disposal than he did two years ago. A more developed Eze, Olise, two centre backs who can play a pass, Lokonga, Doucoure, Ahamada, Hughes, etc. Roy has always been a coach who's been able to tailor the suit to fit the cloth; he got Fulham to a European final. With the comparative riches talent-wise at his disposal this time around, I don't expect he'll give us a rinse, repeat of 2021.

2. The football under PV this year was absolutely turgid. Performances can't possibly get any less enjoyable. We've learned in recent months only that retaining possession does NOT equal entertainment. In fact, having the ball and doing nothing with it may be less entertaining than not having the ball but harassing the opposition without it.

3. If we get nothing else over the remaining eleven games, the minimum Roy's team will give us is commitment, honesty, effort, and a willingness to play for the shirt (simply because anyone who doesn't exhibit those values won't be selected.) That's not my idea of perfection but after the dross I've seen recently, it's enough to be going on with.

I actually think the marriage of a set of players not short on ability with an experienced, demanding manager may just be a recipe for turning things around. Time will tell, but in my view we were sinking without trace under PV and a so-called "easy run of games" wasn't going to change that. It wasn't the results that doomed Patrick so much as the manner they were arrived at. I feel considerably better about our chances now, with Roy in the dugout, than I did two weeks ago.

I'm looking forward to the game-changing substitutions at critical moments.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Mar 23 1.20pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Should we plummet through that dreaded relegation trapdoor (God forbid), I suspect some managers currently in the lower divisions night come into consideration :

Mark Robins (Coventry) : Promotions from League Two and League One in trying circumstances due to the ground arrangements.

Ian Evatt (Bolton) : Promotion with Barrow out of the National League. Promotion with Bolton into League One with the club currently in the promotion places.

Michael Duff (Barnsley) : Promotion with Cheltenham out of League Two.This season, his first at Barnsley, he has led them to 4th place after they were relegated last season.

Steven Schumacher (Plymouth) : After taking over from Ryan Lowe last season, he led them to 7th in League One and they are currently top of the table.

Ryan Lowe (Preston) : Two League Two promotions with Bury and Plymouth.In his first season with Plymouth in League One they finished 18th but in his next season they were 6th when he departed.

A manager currently not employed but has a promotion to the PL on his CV is Dean Smith.
I doubt that Paul Warne could be prised away from Derby and Michael Carrick could lead Middlesbrough to the PL this season.

Edited by Willo (25 Mar 2023 1.25pm)

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 23 1.26pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Should we plummet through that dreaded relegation trapdoor (God forbid), I suspect some managers currently in the lower divisions night come into consideration :

Mark Robins (Coventry) : Promotions from League Two and League One in trying circumstances due to the ground arrangements.

Ian Evatt (Bolton) : Promotion with Barrow out of the National League. Promotion with Bolton into League One with the club currently in the promotion places.

Michael Duff (Barnsley) : Promotion with Cheltenham out of League Two.This season, his first at Barnsley, he has led them to 4th place after they were relegated last season.

Steven Schumacher (Plymouth) : After taking over from Ryan Lowe last season, he led them to 7th in League One and they are currently top of the table.

Ryan Lowe (Preston) : Two League Two promotions with Bury and Plymouth.In his first season with Plymouth in League One they finished 18th but in his next season they were 6th when he departed.

A manager currently not employed but has a promotion to the PL on his CV is Dean Smith.

Edited by Willo (25 Mar 2023 1.22pm)

Interesting choices, I don't rate any of them, but it's not up to me.
I'd be looking at Cooper, Carrick, Benitez, Fonseca - just think they're of a higher calibre.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Mar 23 1.32pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Interesting choices, I don't rate any of them, but it's not up to me.
I'd be looking at Cooper, Carrick, Benitez, Fonseca - just think they're of a higher calibre.

I had 'Championship' in mind when I listed the managers.
I doubt if the aforementioned managers would come into consideration should we remain in the PL.

Edited by Willo (25 Mar 2023 1.33pm)

 

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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 25 Mar 23 1.35pm Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Boro fans are desperate for us not to go after Carrick.

Personally I'm really undecided on him. There is no doubt that he has done wonders since taking over up here but it's very early doors. There have been a lot of young managers who look the next big thing for it to go wrong when they are out of there depth in the Prem.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 25 Mar 23 7.07pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

To be fair that approach is the one Ajax used developing the team of the 90's and the most forward thinking youth development program that was the envy of that era.

I didn't know that and it's a fair comment. But that was over twenty years ago and the modus operandi of a bottom half modern day Premier League team embarking on a transition is style is a lot different IMO.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 25 Mar 23 7.11pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Benitez has been mentioned a few times but I don't think it's realistic or is it based on the presumption that we'll have a different Chief Executive and owenership structure ?

 

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Assuming that we retain our Premier League status I would guess that any prospective manager would insist on cast iron guarantees on transfer funds before even considering joining us

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 23 7.38pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I had 'Championship' in mind when I listed the managers.
I doubt if the aforementioned managers would come into consideration should we remain in the PL.

Edited by Willo (25 Mar 2023 1.33pm)

Just being Devil's advocate: have they not all managed in the Championship? The only one I'm not sure is Fonseca. I can't remember anything about him - obviously had a big effect on me.
If we were (God forbid) an exciting challenge in the Championship, a project with good young prospects, we might be looked on as a decent side. A manager might think he could bring us up and have a club with Premier League experience and facilities anyway. A hungry club, instead of a languishing one.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Mar 23 7.51pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Assuming that we retain our Premier League status I would guess that any prospective manager would insist on cast iron guarantees on transfer funds before even considering joining us

You’d hope so anyway.

How long before any manager realises that any spending will be an isolated incident for them though?

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Assuming that we retain our Premier League status I would guess that any prospective manager would insist on cast iron guarantees on transfer funds before even considering joining us

I should think that amongst management circles Parish's reputation precedes him.

 

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