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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the only manager i ever want at Palace is one with a long CV of previous success.

coulda, shoulda , woulda......is a guarantee of failure.


for example : Roy Keane has learned under many World-class managers. An amazing player & captain. A leader on the pitch.

.....and a shyte manager.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (03 Jun 2023 1.56pm)

What is success? It's inevitable that all success ends in failure for most football managers.

PV is a prime example. First season a success then ended in failure. Brendan Rodger another one. Success with Leicester but then ended in failure. Even Alan pardew a success but then ended in failure with us.

End of the day out next manager will last 2-3 years (after hodgson) before it either ends in failure or goes to a bigger club.

Marco Silva? Failure at hull and Everton. But then a success at Fulham?

Edited by eaglesdare (03 Jun 2023 2.44pm)

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Jun 23 2.56pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

There are some managers who fit particular clubs but then don't fit others. I think that's what we need to think about at Palace. Why so much better under Roy? Answer that question and we probably find what we need to know.
My own presumption is our players are neither that intelligent or particularly hard-working, they need mentoring and pretty rigourous training. Firstly, that means whoever we get the coaching has to be right. I'm also thinking too young won't work - as the players seem to need a guide.
When I think about it, managers like Rodgers or Rafa fit the bill. Possibly Cooper. For me, Potter is too flexible tactically. I don't think most of our players want, or need to, make their own decisions on the pitch. I'm not saying them all - I mean in general.
I feel like I'm being hard on our players - it's just a personal observation from the last few years. Our players seem to fold with too much responsibility - think about things like our penalties, or when decisions go against us. These things really show on the pitch sometimes - in the performances. Set plays a classic example. We lose concentration nearly every time, attacking or defending.
I would fancy our promotion side to have more leadership and determination than the current players - although recently we don't seem to give up too easily, which has been an improvement.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

There are some managers who fit particular clubs but then don't fit others. I think that's what we need to think about at Palace. Why so much better under Roy? Answer that question and we probably find what we need to know.
My own presumption is our players are neither that intelligent or particularly hard-working, they need mentoring and pretty rigourous training. Firstly, that means whoever we get the coaching has to be right. I'm also thinking too young won't work - as the players seem to need a guide.
When I think about it, managers like Rodgers or Rafa fit the bill. Possibly Cooper. For me, Potter is too flexible tactically. I don't think most of our players want, or need to, make their own decisions on the pitch. I'm not saying them all - I mean in general.
I feel like I'm being hard on our players - it's just a personal observation from the last few years. Our players seem to fold with too much responsibility - think about things like our penalties, or when decisions go against us. These things really show on the pitch sometimes - in the performances. Set plays a classic example. We lose concentration nearly every time, attacking or defending.
I would fancy our promotion side to have more leadership and determination than the current players - although recently we don't seem to give up too easily, which has been an improvement.

Have we not got more points than any team from a losing position? Resilient is a word often bandied about.

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

There are some managers who fit particular clubs but then don't fit others. I think that's what we need to think about at Palace. Why so much better under Roy? Answer that question and we probably find what we need to know.
My own presumption is our players are neither that intelligent or particularly hard-working, they need mentoring and pretty rigourous training. Firstly, that means whoever we get the coaching has to be right. I'm also thinking too young won't work - as the players seem to need a guide.
When I think about it, managers like Rodgers or Rafa fit the bill. Possibly Cooper. For me, Potter is too flexible tactically. I don't think most of our players want, or need to, make their own decisions on the pitch. I'm not saying them all - I mean in general.
I feel like I'm being hard on our players - it's just a personal observation from the last few years. Our players seem to fold with too much responsibility - think about things like our penalties, or when decisions go against us. These things really show on the pitch sometimes - in the performances. Set plays a classic example. We lose concentration nearly every time, attacking or defending.
I would fancy our promotion side to have more leadership and determination than the current players - although recently we don't seem to give up too easily, which has been an improvement.

I think its a simple case that Roy is a top manager, and gets the most out of what he has at club level, good or bad squads. he was very defensive when we had a crap squad, and is being much more expansive with the current squad.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

There are some managers who fit particular clubs but then don't fit others. I think that's what we need to think about at Palace. Why so much better under Roy? Answer that question and we probably find what we need to know.

as i said above, Croydon-Roy has a long CV with much past success. Surely its The ONLY reasonable qualification for a job as a Prem manager.

unless you want Frank Lampard ?

 


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I would like to suggest why putting an untried manager in the Palace job is a greater risk than say Arteta was at Arsenal.

Arsenal are a rich club with a squad many of whom would walk into our side. If Arteta had been a disaster the club could afford to sack him bring in a replacement and buy players to dig themselves out of a hole in the January window.

In fact with a squad of that talent they might not perform to the level of Premier league contenders but more likely do a Chelsea, e.g. mid table mediocrity.

I suggest that for us to achieve mid table safety most of our players need to perform well on a consistent basis and if they don't we would get relegated.

And unlike Arsenal we probably could not buy our way out of trouble.

Just a thought.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jun 23 6.19pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I would like to suggest why putting an untried manager in the Palace job is a greater risk than say Arteta was at Arsenal.

Arsenal are a rich club with a squad many of whom would walk into our side. If Arteta had been a disaster the club could afford to sack him bring in a replacement and buy players to dig themselves out of a hole in the January window.

In fact with a squad of that talent they might not perform to the level of Premier league contenders but more likely do a Chelsea, e.g. mid table mediocrity.

I suggest that for us to achieve mid table safety most of our players need to perform well on a consistent basis and if they don't we would get relegated.

And unlike Arsenal we probably could not buy our way out of trouble.

Just a thought.

Pep Guardiola was appointed first team manager at Barcelona 2008-09 having managed their 'B' team, but he joined a top team who had won the League twice, been runners-up twice and finished 3rd in their previous 5 seasons, not forgetting being victorious in the Champions League in one of those campaigns.

 

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Am keen to know why pepole reckon the club tweeted pics of Hodgson yesterday and the smiley face and hearts? Do you think this means he is staying? I think his done a great job this season but I honestly think it’s time to move on

 

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Originally posted by silvertop

Have we not got more points than any team from a losing position? Resilient is a word often bandied about.

I'm interested in this and did think about when I wrote my post. I then thought, why do we always go behind anyway? My answer is we just don't seem to learn.
Our matches seem to have the pattern of turn up, be ok, concede, be good but struggle to score. We shouldn't need a goal against us to motivate us.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

I'm interested in this and did think about when I wrote my post. I then thought, why do we always go behind anyway? My answer is we just don't seem to learn.
Our matches seem to have the pattern of turn up, be ok, concede, be good but struggle to score. We shouldn't need a goal against us to motivate us.

If you listen to other mid table fans they say the exact same thing about their team.

This season we seemed to turn up in the second halves and sleep in the first half.

 

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Originally posted by eaglesdare

If you listen to other mid table fans they say the exact same thing about their team.

This season we seemed to turn up in the second halves and sleep in the first half.

Yes, it did seem a bit like that. Even Leeds scored first.

 


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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Michel Arteta

Arteta wasn't 'mentored' for the City job under Pep was he? I think I must have missed that.
See I thought City let him go to Arsenal to have a crack at managing because they didn't believe he was experienced enough to take over from Pep. That was my take on it but what do I know?

 

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