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OzzieBob Flag Kicking Racism out of Football 17 Mar 05 5.19am

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Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 7:09pm

Quite simply, Britain is not a Muslim country, it is not a Sikh country, it is not a Hindu country. No disrespect to these religions at all, I respect people for choosing their beliefs and sticking to them but openly practising their religions will incite people, no question.


Surely then, the problem is not Muslims or Hindus but those small-minded bigots that are incited by other people having the audacity to be different to them?

edit: Muslims and Hindus have as much right as Christians to practice their religions.

Edited by the despotic banana (16 Mar 2005 7:22pm)


shame the muslims dont think the same, as if there is any sign of christianity or any religion other than the muslim faith being practised in there desert sorry countries you will more than likely be imprissoned or severly punished

That is simply not true, I have personally been to a Greek orthodox church in Jordan where they have a byzantine mosaic of a map of the holy land (it's a tourist attraction). I went on a Sunday and the Greek orthodox preist was giving his sermon in arabic to locals who looked like locals. There is also a Syrian Orthodox Church in Syria.

 


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i stick by my earlier qoute that religion cause to much trouble and the world would be better without it.. as proved by this thread

lot of racist stuff on here from people who should know better. behave

 


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Quote Jay_Palace at 16 Mar 2005 8:30pm

Quote francis at 16 Mar 2005 8:25pm


Also, when you are on your deathbed it is the only thing that you have left to turn to. Humans are ultimately vulnerable beings and need something to fall back on. Religon provides this.

As far as we know, insects, birds, fish and other mammals don't practice religion. They don't have our capacity to understand that the Grim Reaper will tap them on the shoulder one day. Jay could be right in saying that religion is the security blanket of mankind to protect them from facing up to the reality of their own mortality.

On the other hand, at least one astro-physicist (Dr. Paul Davies, University of Adelaide) is now saying that the mechanics and mathematics of the Universe's creation are so elegant that it is becoming less likely (in his view anyway) that they are purely the function of random chance occurences.

I don't know which myself, I'm still struggling with that.

I reckon Jesus had the right idea, though, regardless of whether he was the Son of God or not. You know - "Love thy neighbour as thyself" , "The meek shall inherit the Earth"(if that's alright with you), "The rich man getting to Heaven" etc etc.

What really gets my goat is the way that people down through the ages have taken these simple messages and distorted and corrupted them for their own ends. Normally this has meant the subjugation, control or division of the masses. Starting with the Pharisees and down through the Papal heirarchy, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Henry VIII to modern day charlatans like George Bush. You can be sure of is that if some public figure states they are doing something in the name of God/Allah/Buddha or the Hale/Bopp comet, they almost certainly have other motives.

Rant over. Peace be with you.

 


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We need religion because our ego demands that God himself must have made us because we are so special. We are as special as a fruit fly (which is magnificent in its own way.)

I think we simply cannot accept that things can just be, they do not need a beginning or end. Ultimately though, we do not have the capacity to understand where we came form or why we are here (though we don't like the idea that there may be no reason why we're here.)

Religion has no basis in fact and logicical thought must be suspended if one is to believe in it. In no other aspect of my life do I allow myself to believe in things that I cannot verify to a reasonable extent, so why should I believe in a God when there is no real evidence to suggest His existence?

I may as well believe ion the Easter Bunny.

As to Religion in society, I believe in people's right to believe anything they choose, so long as it does not harm anyone else. Thus, I want to see a fully secular society where Religion is banished form all aspects of the state. People would be welcome to practice religion in Private Churches etc but they would not be able to impose their religious beliefs or customs on anyone else.

 


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OzzieBob Flag Kicking Racism out of Football 17 Mar 05 9.45am

Quote wollongongeagle at 17 Mar 2005 8:51am

Quote Jay_Palace at 16 Mar 2005 8:30pm

Quote francis at 16 Mar 2005 8:25pm


Also, when you are on your deathbed it is the only thing that you have left to turn to. Humans are ultimately vulnerable beings and need something to fall back on. Religon provides this.

As far as we know, insects, birds, fish and other mammals don't practice religion. They don't have our capacity to understand that the Grim Reaper will tap them on the shoulder one day. Jay could be right in saying that religion is the security blanket of mankind to protect them from facing up to the reality of their own mortality.

On the other hand, at least one astro-physicist (Dr. Paul Davies, University of Adelaide) is now saying that the mechanics and mathematics of the Universe's creation are so elegant that it is becoming less likely (in his view anyway) that they are purely the function of random chance occurences.

I don't know which myself, I'm still struggling with that.

I reckon Jesus had the right idea, though, regardless of whether he was the Son of God or not. You know - "Love thy neighbour as thyself" , "The meek shall inherit the Earth"(if that's alright with you), "The rich man getting to Heaven" etc etc.

What really gets my goat is the way that people down through the ages have taken these simple messages and distorted and corrupted them for their own ends. Normally this has meant the subjugation, control or division of the masses. Starting with the Pharisees and down through the Papal heirarchy, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Henry VIII to modern day charlatans like George Bush. You can be sure of is that if some public figure states they are doing something in the name of God/Allah/Buddha or the Hale/Bopp comet, they almost certainly have other motives.

Rant over. Peace be with you.

You still having trouble with you posts

Edited by OzzieBob (17 Mar 2005 9:49am)

 


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OzzieBob Flag Kicking Racism out of Football 17 Mar 05 9.47am

Contemplate the above, that's budhism for you


 

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You still having trouble with you posts

Edited by OzzieBob (17 Mar 2005 9:49am)


Yeah, mate. I'm putting it down to Divine intervention.

I like you take on Buddism.

 


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Excellent mate.

A quick flick through all that and at last I get some sense.

Quote OzzieBob at 17 Mar 2005 9:47am

Contemplate the above, that's budhism for you



Edited by kav (17 Mar 2005 10:47am)

 


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Jonsey Flag wherever I lay my toolbox thats my... 17 Mar 05 11.28am

Quote OzzieBob at 17 Mar 2005 5:19am

Quote Jonsey at 17 Mar 2005 2:04am

Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 7:21pm

Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 7:09pm

Quite simply, Britain is not a Muslim country, it is not a Sikh country, it is not a Hindu country. No disrespect to these religions at all, I respect people for choosing their beliefs and sticking to them but openly practising their religions will incite people, no question.


Surely then, the problem is not Muslims or Hindus but those small-minded bigots that are incited by other people having the audacity to be different to them?

edit: Muslims and Hindus have as much right as Christians to practice their religions.

Edited by the despotic banana (16 Mar 2005 7:22pm)


shame the muslims dont think the same, as if there is any sign of christianity or any religion other than the muslim faith being practised in there desert sorry countries you will more than likely be imprissoned or severly punished

That is simply not true, I have personally been to a Greek orthodox church in Jordan where they have a byzantine mosaic of a map of the holy land (it's a tourist attraction). I went on a Sunday and the Greek orthodox preist was giving his sermon in arabic to locals who looked like locals. There is also a Syrian Orthodox Church in Syria.


Try the home of Islam Saudi Arabia, i remember once going to the shops when i lived there and my mum was getting out the car and her cross that she always wheres fell out. A few of the locals went nutty and came over shouting the odds and the police even came over and went sick. We had to go to the police station and get a translator from the brittish embassy. They were so kind my mum got let off with a warning but told next time she would be in the s*** basically

 


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Quote cpfc-rjd at 17 Mar 2005 9:42am

We need religion because our ego demands that God himself must have made us because we are so special. We are as special as a fruit fly (which is magnificent in its own way.)

I think we simply cannot accept that things can just be, they do not need a beginning or end. Ultimately though, we do not have the capacity to understand where we came form or why we are here (though we don't like the idea that there may be no reason why we're here.)

Religion has no basis in fact and logicical thought must be suspended if one is to believe in it. In no other aspect of my life do I allow myself to believe in things that I cannot verify to a reasonable extent, so why should I believe in a God when there is no real evidence to suggest His existence?

I may as well believe ion the Easter Bunny.

As to Religion in society, I believe in people's right to believe anything they choose, so long as it does not harm anyone else. Thus, I want to see a fully secular society where Religion is banished form all aspects of the state. People would be welcome to practice religion in Private Churches etc but they would not be able to impose their religious beliefs or customs on anyone else.

I was going to post my own thoughts but that pretty much sums it up (apart from the fruitfly - nasty little buggers!)

If you go back to early times people worshipped the sun, they were frightened by eclipses, earthquakes and thought they had upset their gods.

As these phenonmena have been scientifically explained the various religions have grabbed hold of man's other insecurities and fears - the biggest being what happens when we die.

I remember these terrible cartoon leaflets being given out at school by the Charlie Churches basically saying that if I hadn't let Jesus into my heart before I croaked then I wouldn't be going to heaven - which seemed a bit spiteful to me.

I have a friend at work who is Muslim - he told me that if he didn't follow the beliefs he was told in hell they smash a rock over your head every minute of the day.

I think for far too long religion has traded on people's fears instead of embracing everyone - not just the devout.

I think the country would be better off if we all tried to live in what is often called a "Christian" way - but as Cucking has succingtly highlighted the Muslems family unit is putting to shame out terrible record of broken families and family values.

If people want to go to a church or mosque and it makes them happy and they aren't harming anyone else then good for them - but in return they should be respectful of everyone's rights to choose their own belief.


 


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Quote Cucking Funt at 16 Mar 2005 9:26pm

I'd say that, given the increasing dis-satisfaction with the material and selfish world we live in, religion has perhaps never been more important. I'm not sure that this thread was intended to be a Christian v muslim debate but the truth is that religion, throughout history, has flourished most strongly amnongst the disadvantaged and disaffected. The more downtrodden people become (or feel they become), the more extreme they're prepared to be, as evidenced by the willingness of so many Palestinians to die for what they believe in.

Church of England attendances (the C of E was founded in the reign of Edward VI, not Henry VIII, by the way) are at an all time low because, as Rach has said, it will not publicly stand up for what it believes. Roman Catholicism, too, has seen an increasing number of adherents pay little more than lip service to its central doctrine and beliefs because it continually shies away from the very issues it should be publicly addressing . The countries where Catholicism is at its strongest is in poorer countries, such as in South America, where poverty and exploitation of the many by the few is the norm. In the more 'civilised', Western countries, Christianity in all its forms has had its balls cut off for the simple reason that people don't think they need it. Consumerism is the new religion.

There are many who argue that the decline in religion has co-incided with the break up of the traditional family unit. The increasing number of single parent families and the rise in petty crime committed by children from homes where there is no stable parental influence are social phenomena that simply can't be ignored. In the past, strict religious upbringing precluded such behaviour. Marriage was considered sacred and a commitment for life and not something to walk away from simply because one or other of them got p*ssed off with it. One of the main reasons why islam is taking such a hold in this country is because it places great emphasis on the security and stability of the family unit; the academic achievements of students from such backgrounds, I believe, far outstrip (pro rata) those of the indigenous population and the culture of the extended family is also far more deeply ingrained. It doesn't take a genius to work out that a strong, secure, family based society will prevail over one as disjointed, shallow and uncaring as ours has become.

Goodness me, Cucking, I agree with one of your posts ENTIRELY!

 


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Religion will always have a place in modern society.

In this country due to Migration and immigration other religions are going to be a part of this society. I could spout on about embracing the diverse culture but I am not going to bother.

We are all moaning here about Muslims, but unless I have actually forgotton something major they haven't actually done anything to this country and I have never felt threatened by the muslim presence in this country, I appriciate that thmantalists like Hamza preech on the streets and make threats. (although I do not dispute the horific events of 9/11 and Madrid)

Be thankfull you are not in Northern Ireland where disputes over religion has caused so much hurt and pain.

Having been married, to a muslim, I am sick and tired of muslim people being tarred with the same brush.

People who live in this country IMO have to right to practice which ever religion they choose.

The Pope is another debate altogether, and is honestly a danger to society. Not physically obviously!!!

Edited by A_JsShorts (17 Mar 2005 9:04pm)

 

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