As well as tv money, corporates is what gives you the edge. You can only spend so much more every year out of tv money. This season it was £12mil for everyone. Next year I don't know. If you think we should wait for tv money to increase to progress you really are as naive as I thought.

We do deserve better but there are astute ways and then there's the rebuild and get relegated way we;ve seen so many times before.

COYP

You are living in dreamland if you think we will ever be exempt from relegation.

Where did I say we should wait for tv money to increase, I've said the complete opposite, like rebuilding regardless of what league we are in, your doing my head in now, like banging my head against a door trying to explain things to you

Edited by rikz (20 Apr 2016 10.59pm)

Building a stand fit for the Prem if we're in the champ is not having an edge either, which is why they want to maximise corporate revenue doing it that way.

Again, you don't get simple concepts. Minimising risk. Risk/reward, maximising investment.

You're clueless and you're now boring the f**ing life out of me. You're either deliberately obtuse or it's a natural struggle for you. At least those who know they're limited have a chance with you around. Go to bed, jog on, anything.

COYP

As far as the Crystal Palace Park "plan," SP ruled that out some time ago due to overwhelming opposition from the Bromley Council and residents in that area, most of them very well endowed in the pocketbook. As soon as those "plans" were announced, the residents formed an lobbying group determined to keep Palace out. Therefore, it's useless to talk about that unless something changes radically. That residents group is even opposed to building a new Crystal Palace to replace the one that gave that area its name. They are the very definition of NIMBY.

The 1924 Main Stand needs replacement badly. There are still wooden beams in the structure, which means the safety certificate for Selhurst requires a waiver. The Goldberg and Jordan regimes didn't own the ground, which made getting planning approval more difficult.

An example of an old stadium being redeveloped is what happened with Fenway Park in Boston, originally built in 1912 and rebuilt in 1934 after a fire. When the present ownership (John Henry & Tom Werner, who now own Liverpool as part of Fenway Sports Group) took over in 2002, they hired an architect who laid out a ten year plan to rebuild Fenway in sections during the off season. There were several season in that 10 year period that the Red Sox were in the post season, which cut a month from the available time for construction. Palace would do well to follow that example, taking their time especially since the close season is shorter, even though it is in the summer months while baseball's is in the fall and winter. While the Main Stand lends itself to a Liverpool style rebuild, the Arthur Wait, also in need of major work, could be done over the span of two or three years. It might look funky for a while but the final result should be worth it.

Edited by kenbarr (21 Apr 2016 8.15am)

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Parchmore, the NIMBY I was referring to were the ones at Crystal Palace Park, not the residents of Whitehorse Lane, Park and Holmesdale roads. they also have mounted opposition to any redevelopment of Selhurst Park claiming they would be deprived of "sunshine." Judging from what I've read on the web, those concerns are being addressed through a series of meetings between the club and the residents groups. CPFC2010 seem to have a better relationship with community that either Noades, Goldberg or Jordan Brothers. Dominic Jordan outright insulted them, which any politician will tell you is not a great way of winning friends and influencing people (my source is the late Ron Greatorex, who D. Jprdan fired as Chief Steward over refusing to pay him in a timely manner). Whatever you think of the residents, they vote in Croydon Council and Parliamentary elections in the constituencies that surround SP. How many Palace fans do that? A great many come from outside the area and vote elsewhere. remember, the two rules in elective politics are:

1. Get elected.

2. Stay elected.

If it could be demonstrated that Palace supporters could decisively affect the councillors and MPs ability to hold office, that would move things along. Charlton supporters were able to do that by forming The Valley Party back in the 1990s, which may be the last time they won anything.

Divorced...And LOVING it!
VJRAM Rev.
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Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach
Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach
Trevor Francis, International PRAT

The locals are bound up in their own bitterness of the park's past development, and their parking spaces. They detest the tower block that was built in there and clearly do NOT care about the rundown of the NSC or the minimalist attention paid to the park.

If they had thought about it they could have asked for a annual contribution from the club towards improvement of the park for say 25 years or longer but....

Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again

Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013