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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Nov 16 1.39pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Fifa right. Nothing to stop swastikas and other nasties if they allow it. The black arm band denotes the captain there is no need for anything more. Playing to the gallery PM. Poppy police stopped me this morning I am still not wearing one, cheap gimmicks. Well I think that might be going a bit into the realms of unlikely. I'm not convinced its a political symbol - although it certainly seems to have become one in recent years. I'm a bit concerned that the 'Poppy Morality Police' are co-opting it. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 03 Nov 16 1.39pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Fifa right.

Nothing to stop swastikas and other nasties if they allow it.

The black arm band denotes the captain there is no need for anything more.

Playing to the gallery PM.

Poppy police stopped me this morning I am still not wearing one, cheap gimmicks.

Well I think that might be going a bit into the realms of unlikely. I'm not convinced its a political symbol - although it certainly seems to have become one in recent years.

I'm a bit concerned that the 'Poppy Morality Police' are co-opting it.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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becky over the moon 03 Nov 16 1.42pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Fifa right. Nothing to stop swastikas and other nasties if they allow it. The black arm band denotes the captain there is no need for anything more. Playing to the gallery PM. Poppy police stopped me this morning I am still not wearing one, cheap gimmicks. Fifa wrong! They saw no objection to it in 2011, and as the Dutch commemorate their fallen with a national holiday in May, they have on previous occasions been permitted to change match dates when they coincided. Swastikas, in the sense you mean, are a political statement, therefor would, quite correctly, not be permitted. Black armbands have been regularly worn by all players and officials in international matches to mark the death of someone notable. Just be grateful that you have the freedom that the fallen bought for this country with their lives, to ignore poppy sellers if that is your wish. Your life would have been rather more restricted without their sacrifice. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 03 Nov 16 1.42pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Fifa right.

Nothing to stop swastikas and other nasties if they allow it.

The black arm band denotes the captain there is no need for anything more.

Playing to the gallery PM.

Poppy police stopped me this morning I am still not wearing one, cheap gimmicks.

Fifa wrong!

They saw no objection to it in 2011, and as the Dutch commemorate their fallen with a national holiday in May, they have on previous occasions been permitted to change match dates when they coincided.

Swastikas, in the sense you mean, are a political statement, therefor would, quite correctly, not be permitted.

Black armbands have been regularly worn by all players and officials in international matches to mark the death of someone notable.

Just be grateful that you have the freedom that the fallen bought for this country with their lives, to ignore poppy sellers if that is your wish. Your life would have been rather more restricted without their sacrifice.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Mapletree Croydon 03 Nov 16 1.49pm
FIFA simply operating cultural imperialism They use Napoleonic law within which it is hard to set new precedents We operate law based on precedent and reasonableness. It is quite acceptable to make special cases in our kind of legal and philosophical system. When it comes down to it, they don't understand us and are judging us by their own standards
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Croydon 03 Nov 16 1.49pm

FIFA simply operating cultural imperialism

They use Napoleonic law within which it is hard to set new precedents

We operate law based on precedent and reasonableness. It is quite acceptable to make special cases in our kind of legal and philosophical system.

When it comes down to it, they don't understand us and are judging us by their own standards

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becky over the moon 03 Nov 16 1.54pm
It all smacks to me of a new woman, elevated beyond her capabilities, and facing criticism over her appointment, being determined to put her stamp of authority on something to prove that she really has a grasp of the job in hand. No way now could she back down without losing face......... n.b. if FIFA really are looking to stamp out corruption, is appointing someone who has been working in Nigeria for the last few years a good move? A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 03 Nov 16 1.54pm

It all smacks to me of a new woman, elevated beyond her capabilities, and facing criticism over her appointment, being determined to put her stamp of authority on something to prove that she really has a grasp of the job in hand. No way now could she back down without losing face.........

n.b. if FIFA really are looking to stamp out corruption, is appointing someone who has been working in Nigeria for the last few years a good move?

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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steeleye20 Croydon 03 Nov 16 2.09pm
Over to the House of Commons PM announcement:- 'Poppy means Brexit' Quite see your point B if I can find a poppy seller I will get one. Can you tell me why people wear poppies from 25th October onwards - is it always Armistice Day for them or will they get sacked or arrested by the Poppy police?
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steeleye20

Croydon 03 Nov 16 2.09pm

Over to the House of Commons PM announcement:-

'Poppy means Brexit'

Quite see your point B if I can find a poppy seller I will get one.

Can you tell me why people wear poppies from 25th October onwards - is it always Armistice Day for them or will they get sacked or arrested by the Poppy police?

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npn Crowborough 03 Nov 16 2.12pm
Perversely, I was really pleased that FIFA didn't back down, purely because it gives the FA and SFA a chance to do what they believe is right anyway, and to hell with the consequences. Let's be honest, the next World Cup was sold by the corrupt-to-the-core FIFA anyway, and I'd be perfectly happy to not take part in Russia. So I say we say "thanks for your opinion FIFA, we are doing it anyway - let us know what the punishment is when you've decided and we'll decide whether we are paying any fine later"
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Crowborough 03 Nov 16 2.12pm

Perversely, I was really pleased that FIFA didn't back down, purely because it gives the FA and SFA a chance to do what they believe is right anyway, and to hell with the consequences.

Let's be honest, the next World Cup was sold by the corrupt-to-the-core FIFA anyway, and I'd be perfectly happy to not take part in Russia.

So I say we say "thanks for your opinion FIFA, we are doing it anyway - let us know what the punishment is when you've decided and we'll decide whether we are paying any fine later"

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becky over the moon 03 Nov 16 2.19pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Over to the House of Commons PM announcement:- 'Poppy means Brexit' Quite see your point B if I can find a poppy seller I will get one. Can you tell me why people wear poppies from 25th October onwards - is it always Armistice Day for them or will they get sacked or arrested by the Poppy police? Each year the Royal British Legion launch their Poppy Appeal - this year it actually started on 27th October and runs through until Armistice Day - 11th November (even though Remembrance Sunday is 13th November). This restricts it to 2 weeks of the year only, and hopefully, tries to avoid the overkill that you get with so many other fundraising events, and which in turn can lead to boredom or turn people off the whole concept. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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becky

over the moon 03 Nov 16 2.19pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Over to the House of Commons PM announcement:-

'Poppy means Brexit'

Quite see your point B if I can find a poppy seller I will get one.

Can you tell me why people wear poppies from 25th October onwards - is it always Armistice Day for them or will they get sacked or arrested by the Poppy police?

Each year the Royal British Legion launch their Poppy Appeal - this year it actually started on 27th October and runs through until Armistice Day - 11th November (even though Remembrance Sunday is 13th November). This restricts it to 2 weeks of the year only, and hopefully, tries to avoid the overkill that you get with so many other fundraising events, and which in turn can lead to boredom or turn people off the whole concept.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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wombat84 03 Nov 16 2.22pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Over to the House of Commons PM announcement:- 'Poppy means Brexit' Quite see your point B if I can find a poppy seller I will get one. Can you tell me why people wear poppies from 25th October onwards - is it always Armistice Day for them or will they get sacked or arrested by the Poppy police? I wear a poppy all year round in respect for my Grandad who was gassed on the Somme and also for the thousands of other poor b******s who were led into slaughter.
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03 Nov 16 2.22pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Over to the House of Commons PM announcement:-

'Poppy means Brexit'

Quite see your point B if I can find a poppy seller I will get one.

Can you tell me why people wear poppies from 25th October onwards - is it always Armistice Day for them or will they get sacked or arrested by the Poppy police?

I wear a poppy all year round in respect for my Grandad who was gassed on the Somme and also for the thousands of other poor b******s who were led into slaughter.

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steeleye20 Croydon 03 Nov 16 2.33pm
I find that these things come to mind throughout the year poppy day is fine.
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Croydon 03 Nov 16 2.33pm

I find that these things come to mind throughout the year poppy day is fine.

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chris123 hove actually 03 Nov 16 2.34pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Over to the House of Commons PM announcement:- 'Poppy means Brexit' Quite see your point B if I can find a poppy seller I will get one. Can you tell me why people wear poppies from 25th October onwards - is it always Armistice Day for them or will they get sacked or arrested by the Poppy police? You don't need to wear one if you don't want to - we always do because we lost close family and we want to remember them in particular. My dad grieved for 50 years for his older brother who was only 22 when he fell in 1942. That's younger than my boys now. So for an uncle I never knew is why I wear one as soon as they're on sale.
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hove actually 03 Nov 16 2.34pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Over to the House of Commons PM announcement:-

'Poppy means Brexit'

Quite see your point B if I can find a poppy seller I will get one.

Can you tell me why people wear poppies from 25th October onwards - is it always Armistice Day for them or will they get sacked or arrested by the Poppy police?

You don't need to wear one if you don't want to - we always do because we lost close family and we want to remember them in particular. My dad grieved for 50 years for his older brother who was only 22 when he fell in 1942. That's younger than my boys now. So for an uncle I never knew is why I wear one as soon as they're on sale.

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elgrande bedford 03 Nov 16 2.34pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Over to the House of Commons PM announcement:- 'Poppy means Brexit' Quite see your point B if I can find a poppy seller I will get one. Can you tell me why people wear poppies from 25th October onwards - is it always Armistice Day for them or will they get sacked or arrested by the Poppy police? I really don't get you,you moan about lack of democracy (i.e the Brexit saga). Yet you do nothing but have digs at this country. I wear a poppy because my father served in the second world war as a gunnery sergeant with the royal artillery and helped stop the surge of fascism,which would have stopped the freedoms you now enjoy. Also my son is a serving soldier also front line and has done a tour of Afghanistan. So I wear a poppy for ALL war dead ww1 ww2 and more recently killed because of your favourite prime minister...war monger Blair. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 03 Nov 16 2.34pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Over to the House of Commons PM announcement:-

'Poppy means Brexit'

Quite see your point B if I can find a poppy seller I will get one.

Can you tell me why people wear poppies from 25th October onwards - is it always Armistice Day for them or will they get sacked or arrested by the Poppy police?

I really don't get you,you moan about lack of democracy (i.e the Brexit saga).
Yet you do nothing but have digs at this country.
I wear a poppy because my father served in the second world war as a gunnery sergeant with the royal artillery and helped stop the surge of fascism,which would have stopped the freedoms you now enjoy.
Also my son is a serving soldier also front line and has done a tour of Afghanistan.
So I wear a poppy for ALL war dead ww1 ww2 and more recently killed because of your favourite prime minister...war monger Blair.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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steeleye20 Croydon 03 Nov 16 3.15pm
Sorry I can't answer all these unrelated points there's no room but wish you a peaceful time.
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Croydon 03 Nov 16 3.15pm

Sorry I can't answer all these unrelated points there's no room but wish you a peaceful time.

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