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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 19 Feb 17 8.50pm

Originally posted by SeagullHunter

Pardew never once took us into the relegation zone. Not to forget his record last 8 games was the better than Sam's after facing Chelsea, United etc. Can't believe we've f***ed our season up by hiring the bloke who's supposed to be the survival expert! Anyone see the stats on MNF? We are miles WORSE under Allardyce, I didnt think it was possible for us to get worse when Pardew left; but SA has done a good job of doing just that.

The trigger had to be pulled one way or another. There's no way we could have stuck with Pardew and expected things to change. So the decision had to be made. Time will tell if going with Sam was right or wrong. It certainly has f***ed our season though. Starting the season and sticking with Pards for so long is what has f***ed our season.

 


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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 20 Feb 17 7.26am Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mo Sizlak

No offence but what you say is absolute nonsense!

Sold our heart and soul? You obviously wasn't about after Noades took over then!
He tried to turn us into South London United, amalgamating with Wimbledon and Charlton.
That'd be selling your soul.
I think you're confusing that with a bad spell of form. A bad spell that will get sorted out under the current regime.

Edited by Mo Sizlak (19 Feb 2017 10.13am)

Been supporting the club for 40 years so been through the wringer.

Boards may have tried many things but never actually did them. What he did do was appoint the best manager in the clubs history and guide us to our highest ever league place.

We now have American owners who seem keener to make the lights flash in time to a loud PA system than build a cohesive team on the pitch. By sold our soul I mean when I look at the team at the moment I see a disjointed band playing for the money not each other or the team.

Bad run of form I can accept but looking at recent games there are some on the pitch who look like they can't be bothered and I don't like that

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 20 Feb 17 7.48am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

We now have American owners who seem keener to make the lights flash in time to a loud PA system than build a cohesive team on the pitch.

I'm surprised that Allardyce and Parish allow the Americans to buy the players

 

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View Andy_G's Profile Andy_G Flag Wimbledon 20 Feb 17 8.19am Send a Private Message to Andy_G Add Andy_G as a friend

Originally posted by Mo Sizlak

Jesus Christ!
I've lived through the times of Dario Gradi, Ernie Whalley, Tommy Langley, Brian Bason and their ilk. Even Trevor Aylott ffs!

This bad patch is nothing compared to those dark times.

I think there's a bit of manning up to be done amongst some of you.

I watched through those days as well. This is different though back then there was no expectation that we were any good, the players were pretty cheap and generally we turned up knowing we were poor. Now we have spent the best part of £100m and have supposedly the best squad ever and we are terrible. The second half of last season was one of the more depressing ever. Only me and a few others seemed concerned by the shocking form. All the rest were caught up in buying balloons

 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 20 Feb 17 8.19am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

No turning point but a lack of self-awareness by Steve P that maybe he wasn't up to the task in hand doing it all by himself. Seven managers in seven years and no real change nor progress on the infrastructure. D-

 


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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 20 Feb 17 6.02pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

We know Parish would like a solid infrastructure in place that can weather any storm. The problem is as soon as we get a new manager in in recent years for whatever reason as soon as the manager gets settled the results start to plummet. Freedman? Left for a few pennies more off the back of an 8 game unbeaten run (which was mostly draws)
Holloway? Landed in a division he is not familiar enough with, couldn't attract quality, couldn't deal with the job once it got so much bigger.
Pulis? A decent manager especially if you rate results over entertainment but ultimately proved to be only interested in what money he could squeeze out of the role.
Warnock? Way out of his depth in the top division but in fairness he knew he was a stopgap and was never getting the job long term.
Pardew? Now. Here's an appointment that many of us thought could just be the one who might provide a steady ship. A manager that lets be honest, at the time we thought was a bit of a coup to get him. Sadly his methods will not work in the long term at a club of our size and resources, Maybe any club. Didn't really pull up any trees at Newcastle either. We stuck with him way longer than we should have. I'd have sacked him in the summer. The Cup final papered over cracks we all knew were already there and for me that's the only reason he held on to his job.
And so we arrive at Allardyce. Not a man I'm particularly keen on as a person but... he can do the job. We know this. We have seen him do it time after time. He represents our best chance of staying up because he is a survival expert. Its that simple. IF we stay up (I don't think we will but would love obviously to be wrong) only then will be the time to look at if he is the way forward in terms of finally trying to build that infrastructure that will weather any storm. That's a discussion for the summer. For now our only real option (if we want a positive outcome) is to get behind him.
The turning point? I believe that was the day Pardew sold Jedi and thought Cabaye would do a better job. Our midfield has been bullied ever since.
I'm hoping the signing of Luka will address this. Time will tell.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 20 Feb 17 7.34pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

i agree with the OP. However, the sucker punch that has floored us, was , not sacking Pardew over the summer. Just after he squandered a lead in the FA cup by doing a silly dance on the sidelines.

By then it was obvious that Pardew was clueless in the League and had lost it.

the Blame ? whatever suit was making the decisions behind the scenes.

 


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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 20 Feb 17 8.03pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

So much default negativity. Win v boro and a lot changes. And why shouldn't we?

 


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View dp's Profile dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 20 Feb 17 8.46pm Send a Private Message to dp Add dp as a friend

Turning point will be the commanding performance against Middlesborough, breathing confidence into the team and kick starting a solid run of performances that will see us stay up.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 21 Feb 17 7.07am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

We know Parish would like a solid infrastructure in place that can weather any storm. The problem is as soon as we get a new manager in in recent years for whatever reason as soon as the manager gets settled the results start to plummet. Freedman? Left for a few pennies more off the back of an 8 game unbeaten run (which was mostly draws)
Holloway? Landed in a division he is not familiar enough with, couldn't attract quality, couldn't deal with the job once it got so much bigger.
Pulis? A decent manager especially if you rate results over entertainment but ultimately proved to be only interested in what money he could squeeze out of the role.
Warnock? Way out of his depth in the top division but in fairness he knew he was a stopgap and was never getting the job long term.
Pardew? Now. Here's an appointment that many of us thought could just be the one who might provide a steady ship. A manager that lets be honest, at the time we thought was a bit of a coup to get him. Sadly his methods will not work in the long term at a club of our size and resources, Maybe any club. Didn't really pull up any trees at Newcastle either. We stuck with him way longer than we should have. I'd have sacked him in the summer. The Cup final papered over cracks we all knew were already there and for me that's the only reason he held on to his job.
And so we arrive at Allardyce. Not a man I'm particularly keen on as a person but... he can do the job. We know this. We have seen him do it time after time. He represents our best chance of staying up because he is a survival expert. Its that simple. IF we stay up (I don't think we will but would love obviously to be wrong) only then will be the time to look at if he is the way forward in terms of finally trying to build that infrastructure that will weather any storm. That's a discussion for the summer. For now our only real option (if we want a positive outcome) is to get behind him.
The turning point? I believe that was the day Pardew sold Jedi and thought Cabaye would do a better job. Our midfield has been bullied ever since.
I'm hoping the signing of Luka will address this. Time will tell.

Very eloquently put - I am in total agreement.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Feb 17 7.31am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

The turning point? I believe that was the day Pardew sold Jedi and thought Cabaye would do a better job. Our midfield has been bullied ever since.

Not so as we were winning games and were fifth in the table by mid December without Jedinak and then the slide started

 

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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 21 Feb 17 8.50am

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Been supporting the club for 40 years so been through the wringer.

Boards may have tried many things but never actually did them. What he did do was appoint the best manager in the clubs history and guide us to our highest ever league place.

We now have American owners who seem keener to make the lights flash in time to a loud PA system than build a cohesive team on the pitch. By sold our soul I mean when I look at the team at the moment I see a disjointed band playing for the money not each other or the team.

Bad run of form I can accept but looking at recent games there are some on the pitch who look like they can't be bothered and I don't like that

Nothing to do with them, Flashing lights etc are the work of Steve Parish. Under Pardew it was Parish that pulled the strings on what players we bought in as Pardew had never had that responsability at Newcastle. Pardew got the final say on a player but most of them were Parish's targets. We have bought in some decent players. Personally dont blame those coming in. The biggest mistake we made was getting rid of the players that made the team a unit, Those that were great in the dressing room, the leaders and characters. Pardew should have been sacked after the cup final.

 

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