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Stirlingsays Online 21 Apr 17 1.27pm
Originally posted by bubble wrap Apart from the Tide and Earthquakes that is. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Apr 17 1.27pm

Originally posted by bubble wrap

Apart from the Tide and Earthquakes that is.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 21 Apr 17 1.34pm
Abdication of responsibility from European politicians to have not shut down Schengen by now. Quelle surprise. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Abdication of responsibility from European politicians to have not shut down Schengen by now. Quelle surprise.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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NKEagle Pyongyang 21 Apr 17 1.36pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It happens in some places far more than others. Japan doesn't have much of a problem...I wonder why? Allah sent them Godzilla instead.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It happens in some places far more than others.

Japan doesn't have much of a problem...I wonder why?

Allah sent them Godzilla instead.

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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Apr 17 2.00pm
What's it actually like where you live?
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Croydon 21 Apr 17 2.00pm

What's it actually like where you live?

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NickinOX Sailing country. 21 Apr 17 2.02pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 They did, and now PTJ knows more about Magic the Gathering than he ever hoped for. Nicely done. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Sailing country. 21 Apr 17 2.02pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

They did, and now PTJ knows more about Magic the Gathering than he ever hoped for.

Nicely done.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Apr 17 2.18pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays We bomb nobody due to religion. As you say we support more moderate Muslims where we can in attacking ISIS and they support the action. There is no equivalency. I know that, and yet we do seem to be involved in bombing and wars with a lot of Muslim countries - including IS in Syria. Its kind of an inevitable consequence of bomb Iraq and supporting, rightly, more moderate factions, that those extremist would strike back by whatever means they can. Of course we're in the right, IS is an affront to humanity, but they're not going to go quietly either. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Apr 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We bomb nobody due to religion. As you say we support more moderate Muslims where we can in attacking ISIS and they support the action.

There is no equivalency.

I know that, and yet we do seem to be involved in bombing and wars with a lot of Muslim countries - including IS in Syria.

Its kind of an inevitable consequence of bomb Iraq and supporting, rightly, more moderate factions, that those extremist would strike back by whatever means they can.

Of course we're in the right, IS is an affront to humanity, but they're not going to go quietly either.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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davenotamonkey 21 Apr 17 2.31pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I know that, and yet we do seem to be involved in bombing and wars with a lot of Muslim countries - including IS in Syria. Its kind of an inevitable consequence of bomb Iraq and supporting, rightly, more moderate factions, that those extremist would strike back by whatever means they can. Of course we're in the right, IS is an affront to humanity, but they're not going to go quietly either. Yup. Serves those Swedish right, hmm? They were asking for it, with all their interference in "Muslim countries". Belgium too - Brussels getting bombed and shot up is an "inevitable consequence". Are you dizzy yet from all the spinning?
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I know that, and yet we do seem to be involved in bombing and wars with a lot of Muslim countries - including IS in Syria.

Its kind of an inevitable consequence of bomb Iraq and supporting, rightly, more moderate factions, that those extremist would strike back by whatever means they can.

Of course we're in the right, IS is an affront to humanity, but they're not going to go quietly either.

Yup. Serves those Swedish right, hmm? They were asking for it, with all their interference in "Muslim countries". Belgium too - Brussels getting bombed and shot up is an "inevitable consequence".

Are you dizzy yet from all the spinning?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Apr 17 2.40pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Yup. Serves those Swedish right, hmm? They were asking for it, with all their interference in "Muslim countries". Belgium too - Brussels getting bombed and shot up is an "inevitable consequence". Are you dizzy yet from all the spinning? I'm not sure what your point is. Of course they weren't asking for it, but the reality is that when you go to war, the enemy is prone to strike back and we do have to live with that reality. What did you think would happen when we started to target IS a known terror group, that they wouldn't fight back, that their followers wouldn't commit pointless acts of atrocity There isn't really I don't think much else we can do other than stay in that war now, because it has to be fought. Of course it angers me, but that's the price of doing the right thing. I just refuse to blame those who are not responsible. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Apr 17 2.40pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Yup. Serves those Swedish right, hmm? They were asking for it, with all their interference in "Muslim countries". Belgium too - Brussels getting bombed and shot up is an "inevitable consequence".

Are you dizzy yet from all the spinning?

I'm not sure what your point is. Of course they weren't asking for it, but the reality is that when you go to war, the enemy is prone to strike back and we do have to live with that reality. What did you think would happen when we started to target IS a known terror group, that they wouldn't fight back, that their followers wouldn't commit pointless acts of atrocity

There isn't really I don't think much else we can do other than stay in that war now, because it has to be fought. Of course it angers me, but that's the price of doing the right thing.

I just refuse to blame those who are not responsible.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Apr 17 2.46pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I'm not sure what your point is. Of course they weren't asking for it, but the reality is that when you go to war, the enemy is prone to strike back and we do have to live with that reality. What did you think would happen when we started to target IS a known terror group, that they wouldn't fight back, that their followers wouldn't commit pointless acts of atrocity There isn't really I don't think much else we can do other than stay in that war now, because it has to be fought. Of course it angers me, but that's the price of doing the right thing. I just refuse to blame those who are not responsible. The enemy? But these people are European citizens who happen to be Muslims right?
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'm not sure what your point is. Of course they weren't asking for it, but the reality is that when you go to war, the enemy is prone to strike back and we do have to live with that reality. What did you think would happen when we started to target IS a known terror group, that they wouldn't fight back, that their followers wouldn't commit pointless acts of atrocity

There isn't really I don't think much else we can do other than stay in that war now, because it has to be fought. Of course it angers me, but that's the price of doing the right thing.

I just refuse to blame those who are not responsible.

The enemy?

But these people are European citizens who happen to be Muslims right?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Apr 17 2.55pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The enemy? But these people are European citizens who happen to be Muslims right? I think the greater significance is that they're radicalised by Islamic fundamentalism (specifically Al-Qaeda and Islamic State) - a very specific form of Islam. We notably had no problem either prior to 2001 with Muslims in the UK. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Apr 17 2.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The enemy?

But these people are European citizens who happen to be Muslims right?

I think the greater significance is that they're radicalised by Islamic fundamentalism (specifically Al-Qaeda and Islamic State) - a very specific form of Islam.

We notably had no problem either prior to 2001 with Muslims in the UK.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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NickinOX Sailing country. 21 Apr 17 3.17pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think the greater significance is that they're radicalised by Islamic fundamentalism (specifically Al-Qaeda and Islamic State) - a very specific form of Islam. We notably had no problem either prior to 2001 with Muslims in the UK. While it has got worse, you clearly never had to walk past Finsbury Park mosque on a regular basis in the mid-late 1990s. I worked in the area, and it got so bad at Finsbury Park mosque I had to avoid that entire street where I could (I am talking about people at the mosque dealing out racist abuse, threats, and even physical attacks). Edited by NickinOX (21 Apr 2017 4.05pm) If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Sailing country. 21 Apr 17 3.17pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think the greater significance is that they're radicalised by Islamic fundamentalism (specifically Al-Qaeda and Islamic State) - a very specific form of Islam.

We notably had no problem either prior to 2001 with Muslims in the UK.

While it has got worse, you clearly never had to walk past Finsbury Park mosque on a regular basis in the mid-late 1990s. I worked in the area, and it got so bad at Finsbury Park mosque I had to avoid that entire street where I could (I am talking about people at the mosque dealing out racist abuse, threats, and even physical attacks).

Edited by NickinOX (21 Apr 2017 4.05pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Apr 17 3.28pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think the greater significance is that they're radicalised by Islamic fundamentalism (specifically Al-Qaeda and Islamic State) - a very specific form of Islam. We notably had no problem either prior to 2001 with Muslims in the UK. There was less that half the 3 million plus then of course. If people who are supposedly British are tuned so easily against us, it just highlights the folly of multi culturalism for me.
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21 Apr 17 3.28pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think the greater significance is that they're radicalised by Islamic fundamentalism (specifically Al-Qaeda and Islamic State) - a very specific form of Islam.

We notably had no problem either prior to 2001 with Muslims in the UK.

There was less that half the 3 million plus then of course.
If people who are supposedly British are tuned so easily against us, it just highlights the folly of multi culturalism for me.

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