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Part Time James 18 Jul 17 3.35pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Cannibalism is fraught with dangers that eating meat from a different species isn't, due the tendency for diseases not to cross species. Mass consumption of humans, would in fact generate all manner of disease and disorders that would make inbreeding look tame. Of course we could feed people to animals. That would keep the population down, decrease the meat industry and deal with unwanted children. Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Jul 2017 3.33pm) I'm in. We should prioritise those that are rich in nutrients such as people that eat a lot of vegetables.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Cannibalism is fraught with dangers that eating meat from a different species isn't, due the tendency for diseases not to cross species.

Mass consumption of humans, would in fact generate all manner of disease and disorders that would make inbreeding look tame.

Of course we could feed people to animals. That would keep the population down, decrease the meat industry and deal with unwanted children.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Jul 2017 3.33pm)

I'm in. We should prioritise those that are rich in nutrients such as people that eat a lot of vegetables.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Jul 17 3.41pm
Originally posted by Part Time James I'm in. We should prioritise those that are rich in nutrients such as people that eat a lot of vegetables. I'm doing my bit, by feeding dead whores to the pigs. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 18 Jul 17 3.41pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

I'm in. We should prioritise those that are rich in nutrients such as people that eat a lot of vegetables.

I'm doing my bit, by feeding dead whores to the pigs.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Part Time James 18 Jul 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I'm doing my bit, by feeding dead whores to the pigs. Seems wasteful, you can get another month out of them with good refrigeration.
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18 Jul 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'm doing my bit, by feeding dead whores to the pigs.

Seems wasteful, you can get another month out of them with good refrigeration.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 3.54pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Cannibalism is fraught with dangers that eating meat from a different species isn't, due the tendency for diseases not to cross species. Mass consumption of humans, would in fact generate all manner of disease and disorders that would make inbreeding look tame. Of course we could feed people to animals. That would keep the population down, decrease the meat industry and deal with unwanted children. Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Jul 2017 3.33pm) I believe a government think tank considered that in the 70's. It was known as The Bricktop Solution.... And Charlton Heston Blumenthal has already said that he would not serve Soylent Green in his restaurants for health reasons.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Cannibalism is fraught with dangers that eating meat from a different species isn't, due the tendency for diseases not to cross species.

Mass consumption of humans, would in fact generate all manner of disease and disorders that would make inbreeding look tame.

Of course we could feed people to animals. That would keep the population down, decrease the meat industry and deal with unwanted children.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (18 Jul 2017 3.33pm)

I believe a government think tank considered that in the 70's. It was known as The Bricktop Solution....
And Charlton Heston Blumenthal has already said that he would not serve Soylent Green in his restaurants for health reasons.

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Midlands Eagle 18 Jul 17 4.01pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So eating less meat is the answer to the population problem? Stop eating meat so we can have a bigger population. Genius. If we cut down on other things like water and vegetables, rooms in our houses, sanitation and health care, we can have even more people. In fact we could be much more like India. What a ridiculous answer. We were discussing intensive farming not population growth
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So eating less meat is the answer to the population problem?
Stop eating meat so we can have a bigger population.
Genius.
If we cut down on other things like water and vegetables, rooms in our houses, sanitation and health care, we can have even more people. In fact we could be much more like India.

What a ridiculous answer.

We were discussing intensive farming not population growth

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 4.08pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 It is arguably though a different question, as its a moral argument about the absurdity of religion vs the morality of consumerism. Yes but the common denominator is still cruelty. I see a lot of whining about factory farming which is by and large controlled by legislation but not much about the cutting of animals throats with knives, without stunning, and for no sensible reason. There is far too much pandering to religion and this is just one example.
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18 Jul 17 4.08pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It is arguably though a different question, as its a moral argument about the absurdity of religion vs the morality of consumerism.

Yes but the common denominator is still cruelty.

I see a lot of whining about factory farming which is by and large controlled by legislation but not much about the cutting of animals throats with knives, without stunning, and for no sensible reason.
There is far too much pandering to religion and this is just one example.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 17 4.18pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle What a ridiculous answer. We were discussing intensive farming not population growth Not as ridiculous as introducing British consumption of meat while ignoring the obvious relationship between the rise of factory farming and population growth. There is also a link between prosperity and demand for luxury food. Have you ever wondered that maybe that is one big reason why people in Asian countries eat less meat? Most Indians also happen to be Hindu, many of whom prefer not to harm or eat animals on religious grounds.
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18 Jul 17 4.18pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

What a ridiculous answer.

We were discussing intensive farming not population growth

Not as ridiculous as introducing British consumption of meat while ignoring the obvious relationship between the rise of factory farming and population growth.
There is also a link between prosperity and demand for luxury food. Have you ever wondered that maybe that is one big reason why people in Asian countries eat less meat? Most Indians also happen to be Hindu, many of whom prefer not to harm or eat animals on religious grounds.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 Jul 17 4.23pm
Personally, I prefer Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall's approach to farming. People should know what that they are eating, it should be reared humanely if an animal, all parts of the animal should be used. It would help if kids did not think sausages come from plastic packages. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 18 Jul 17 4.23pm

Personally, I prefer Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall's approach to farming.

People should know what that they are eating, it should be reared humanely if an animal, all parts of the animal should be used.

It would help if kids did not think sausages come from plastic packages.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Jul 17 12.13pm
Originally posted by pefwin Personally, I prefer Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall's approach to farming. People should know what that they are eating, it should be reared humanely if an animal, all parts of the animal should be used. It would help if kids did not think sausages come from plastic packages. I kind of agree with this. I try not to eat meat more than once per day with red meat being a treat maybe once per week "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 19 Jul 17 12.13pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Personally, I prefer Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall's approach to farming.

People should know what that they are eating, it should be reared humanely if an animal, all parts of the animal should be used.

It would help if kids did not think sausages come from plastic packages.

I kind of agree with this. I try not to eat meat more than once per day with red meat being a treat maybe once per week

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Hevon 19 Jul 17 12.51pm
Non-meat eater for 32 years now but forgot i had cooked my son's bacon in the heavy pan this morning when I did my fried egg in it 10 minutes later and promptly wolfed it down on toast. Then i remembered. I'm going to hell. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 19 Jul 17 12.51pm

Non-meat eater for 32 years now but forgot i had cooked my son's bacon in the heavy pan this morning when I did my fried egg in it 10 minutes later and promptly wolfed it down on toast. Then i remembered.

I'm going to hell.

Big chest and massive boobs

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serial thriller The Promised Land 19 Jul 17 4.24pm
Originally posted by pefwin Personally, I prefer Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall's approach to farming. People should know what that they are eating, it should be reared humanely if an animal, all parts of the animal should be used. It would help if kids did not think sausages come from plastic packages. This is a guy who pushed people to eat more mackerel as cod was running out, then when everyone switched to mackerel and it became endangered, put out a cook book all about fish. Ultimately, if everyone wants to keep eating meat and fish at the levels we do, rejecting intensive farming ain't an option. Either it becomes incredibly expensive, or we use up the vast majority of land mass in the world to produce our meat. Already over a quarter of land on the planet is used for livestock purposes. In st world countries, we now have a fairly simple decision to make. DO we want our food to involve mass murder and suffering, contribute enough greenhouse gases on its own to reach the 2 degree threshold of global warming, and contribute to adverse health issues which scientists currently can't keep up with, because livestock farming is developing so rapidly. Or do we make a fairly easy switch to eating food which increasingly tastes the same, costs less, is less harmful for us and the environment, and isn't predicated on killing an innocent living being. A mass conversion to vege/veganism would counteract what Trump is doing with pulling out of the Paris agreement. People who are defeatist about tackling climate change need to realise this. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by pefwin

Personally, I prefer Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall's approach to farming.

People should know what that they are eating, it should be reared humanely if an animal, all parts of the animal should be used.

It would help if kids did not think sausages come from plastic packages.

This is a guy who pushed people to eat more mackerel as cod was running out, then when everyone switched to mackerel and it became endangered, put out a cook book all about fish.

Ultimately, if everyone wants to keep eating meat and fish at the levels we do, rejecting intensive farming ain't an option. Either it becomes incredibly expensive, or we use up the vast majority of land mass in the world to produce our meat. Already over a quarter of land on the planet is used for livestock purposes.

In st world countries, we now have a fairly simple decision to make. DO we want our food to involve mass murder and suffering, contribute enough greenhouse gases on its own to reach the 2 degree threshold of global warming, and contribute to adverse health issues which scientists currently can't keep up with, because livestock farming is developing so rapidly. Or do we make a fairly easy switch to eating food which increasingly tastes the same, costs less, is less harmful for us and the environment, and isn't predicated on killing an innocent living being.

A mass conversion to vege/veganism would counteract what Trump is doing with pulling out of the Paris agreement. People who are defeatist about tackling climate change need to realise this.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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hedgehog50 Croydon 19 Jul 17 6.02pm
Originally posted by serial thriller This is a guy who pushed people to eat more mackerel as cod was running out, then when everyone switched to mackerel and it became endangered, put out a cook book all about fish. Ultimately, if everyone wants to keep eating meat and fish at the levels we do, rejecting intensive farming ain't an option. Either it becomes incredibly expensive, or we use up the vast majority of land mass in the world to produce our meat. Already over a quarter of land on the planet is used for livestock purposes. In st world countries, we now have a fairly simple decision to make. DO we want our food to involve mass murder and suffering, contribute enough greenhouse gases on its own to reach the 2 degree threshold of global warming, and contribute to adverse health issues which scientists currently can't keep up with, because livestock farming is developing so rapidly. Or do we make a fairly easy switch to eating food which increasingly tastes the same, costs less, is less harmful for us and the environment, and isn't predicated on killing an innocent living being. A mass conversion to vege/veganism would counteract what Trump is doing with pulling out of the Paris agreement. People who are defeatist about tackling climate change need to realise this. At what point in the hierarchy of living organisms do you regard the killing of them murder? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 19 Jul 17 6.02pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

This is a guy who pushed people to eat more mackerel as cod was running out, then when everyone switched to mackerel and it became endangered, put out a cook book all about fish.

A mass conversion to vege/veganism would counteract what Trump is doing with pulling out of the Paris agreement. People who are defeatist about tackling climate change need to realise this.

At what point in the hierarchy of living organisms do you regard the killing of them murder?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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