Yeah but Bloomberg puts a whole new spin on boring....He's like some kind of mega bore bot....I can't get to the end of his sentences without drifting off!

I know....it's a personal failing.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

As to Trump accepting help from Russia: there's a law against that. A specific, written, long established law, ignorance of which is no defense.

As to political motivation: the investigation into Russian activity in the election began back in 2015, before Trump was even a candidate, because US intelligence services started picking up a lot of chatter between Russian operatives about contacts with Trump associates. Back then, no one took his candidacy seriously, so it's very hard to make the case that this was a big set up - by the entirety of the US intelligence services - to "get" Trump.

As to the strategy of Democrats and their choice of nominee, you'll get no argument from me. They put up the only candidate who could lose to Trump - anyone else and he doesn't pull out the wafer-thin wins in the swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. If Biden was running, for example, he sweeps those comfortably. The Democrats are a mess and need to take what happened to them as motivation to put their own hose in order. So far, there's no evidence of that happening.

For the record, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I voted on a ballot that includes pretty much every national, state and local position down to city dog catcher, and my ballot included candidates from both major parties and some minor ones. I did my research on each race and voted for the person I thought best suited for the job, regardless of party.

For example, my US Representative is Ted Poe. I hate Ted Poe. However, I voted for him because his Democratic opponent was a basket case who should not be allowed anywhere near a lever of power (or any other lever, to be honest).

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Well, the number of Muslims in America is comparatively low compared to Europe so it's not exactly causing him issues to speak the truth about the dangers of allowing the increase in their population without restrictions...Their security services have done very well since 9/11.....But any look at what happens to a country when the general population of Muslims becomes a majority teaches anybody sensible a lesson. So secular Muslims or Muslims in love with western culture please...no one else...Well essentially that's saying secular Muslims only...Europe should have been doing this a long time ago.

Mexicans? The percentage of Mexicans who voted for Trump shows you exactly what many Mexicans who live in America think of what he said....Despite much negative Democratic propaganda amid ridiculous levels of hostility he essentially polled 29 percent of the Hispanic vote....two percent up from the last election.

Trump's comments about race were clumsy and more than a bit ignorant but when push comes to shove people are more interested in what their economic future is likely to be than worrying about whether the guy/girl in charge is nice or not.....The reaction to Trump's bombast was over the top and instead of coming across like the adult (I give Clinton credit though as in the debates she did this) the general democratic reaction of rage use played into his divisive hands.

You are an adult and of course I understand being strongly opposed...I'm strongly opposed to this version of the EU...but hate? I only hate those that want to kill me. I suggest that this does your cause more harm than good. It mirrors Trump himself and a closed fist only meets another closed fist. Unless there is a war then understanding and compromise where appropriate lower tensions rather than stroke them.

As for what you are calling 'collusion' I'm sympathetic to a degree but I don't agree with what you are suggesting. So far, it's not 'collusion' as in breaking US law. I don't think what you hope for in terms of outcome of these investigations will agree with you either.....It's unethical behaviour I agree with you....But Clinton's team was wholly unethical as well....So a plague on both their houses.

Were Trump's campaign looking for dirt on Clinton...Sure they were.

Were they willing to accept help from the Russians....I most definitely think so.

Were the Russians stupid enough to directly help them?....I doubt it...Not in a provable way....They thought Clinton would win....Far better to stick to fake news stories on Facebook and cyber hacking and leaking to Wikileaks.....Plausible deniability.....By the way anyone who thinks that Clinton's team hands are clean or that fake stories about Trump weren't swimming about is in denial.

Is Trump anti American? I know you think so but I reject that. He's a nationalist at heart and while he's accept help to bash his opponents if he can get it those who think he's Putin's puppet have just gone into demonisation overdrive and....I don't think they really 'get Trump'.....or they do but are willing to lie to present him as something he isn't because they are anti nationalist.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2017 4.58pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. However, if you accept that the Trump campaign was willing to accept help from the Russians then you accept that a serious crime has been committed.

As to Trump's motivation, he's for Trump and Trump above all else. He's using the office to enrich himself and his family and seems not to give a damn about anything else.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

I doubt that Trump is using the office to enrich himself but I've no doubt he'll reward those who are loyal to him. No different to all big time politicians.

I could be wrong, I suppose time hopefully will eventually reveal all....or wikileaks

Personally I think Trump was willing to accept help yeah...he even encouraged the Russians during the campaign in a speech. Do I think a serious crime happened no...I think that's hyperbolic. Both teams were dirty but either of them are puppets....influenced perhsps..People say stuff about middle eastern funding of the Clinton Foundation...it's iffy but while it buys influence I don't see puppetry.

However, I have no problems with investigation as long as its fair. My attitude towards those after Trump is the same as it was towards those who went after Bill Clinton. I doubt their motives but I am there to be convinced.

Like I say, removing Trump without an election would cause far worse problems. People need to be responsible. If you win the mid terms you stop his policies anyway.....Focus upon the groups who didn't vote for you because I have a feeling that the American economy is going to do quite well.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2017 5.46pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

For those who are anti Trump, I'd watch Ben Sharpiro's latest video cast on Youtube.

He outlines where he thinks Trump is veering off course....He's more likely to implode and alienate himself with his own party so much that he makes himself a lame duck.

I recommend a listen...Sharpiro's pretty much a red meat republican but a very good media analyser....who's tipped to run at some point.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)