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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 17 4.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Guess you drank the kool aid where it fitted into your prejudices. [Link] That website is just another front for the American health industry. The sexual health of people in this country which has lower stds than in your country is simple evidence for that. [Link] Essentially you support a practice that is unnecessary in the first world and leads to the deaths of babies every year in yours and other countries. In my view you should stop supporting it. Once again attacking the messenger (Web MD) and not the message. Here's the world renowned Mayo Clinic saying the same thing as Web MD: [Link] The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the benefits outweigh the risks: [Link] We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 11 Oct 17 4.13pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Guess you drank the kool aid where it fitted into your prejudices.

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That website is just another front for the American health industry.

The sexual health of people in this country which has lower stds than in your country is simple evidence for that.

[Link]

Essentially you support a practice that is unnecessary in the first world and leads to the deaths of babies every year in yours and other countries.

In my view you should stop supporting it.

Once again attacking the messenger (Web MD) and not the message. Here's the world renowned Mayo Clinic saying the same thing as Web MD: [Link]

The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the benefits outweigh the risks: [Link]

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 11 Oct 17 4.21pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Once again attacking the messenger (Web MD) and not the message. Here's the world renowned Mayo Clinic saying the same thing as Web MD: [Link] The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the benefits outweigh the risks: [Link] These are American organizations complicit in this practice. Stop linking me to American justifications for this money making nonsense barbarism. These are decisions that an adult should make for themselves. The evidence in the west for countries where this stupidity isn't practiced is all you need to show you the error here. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Oct 2017 4.22pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

11 Oct 17 4.21pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Once again attacking the messenger (Web MD) and not the message. Here's the world renowned Mayo Clinic saying the same thing as Web MD: [Link]

The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the benefits outweigh the risks: [Link]

These are American organizations complicit in this practice.

Stop linking me to American justifications for this money making nonsense barbarism. These are decisions that an adult should make for themselves.

The evidence in the west for countries where this stupidity isn't practiced is all you need to show you the error here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Oct 2017 4.22pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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OldFella London 11 Oct 17 4.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Just another example of unfairness from the legal system. So much for male privilege. [Link] So what! A life came out from all this, celebrate that I say. Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..
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OldFella

London 11 Oct 17 4.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Just another example of unfairness from the legal system.

So much for male privilege.

[Link]

So what! A life came out from all this, celebrate that I say.

Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

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Stirlingsays 11 Oct 17 4.25pm
Originally posted by OldFella So what! A life came out from all this, celebrate that I say. One way of looking at it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

11 Oct 17 4.25pm

Originally posted by OldFella

So what! A life came out from all this, celebrate that I say.

One way of looking at it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 11 Oct 17 4.26pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Once again attacking the messenger (Web MD) and not the message. Here's the world renowned Mayo Clinic saying the same thing as Web MD: [Link] The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the benefits outweigh the risks: [Link] Don't want to butt into a good argumemnt but all the benefits are really really low, unless you have some form of Haemophilia, which meant it has a higher risk. It is all about the money it would seem. TBH, if you don't have a foreskin, you ain't a complete man. Sorry SS beat me [fnaoorrh) on the financial aspect. Edited by pefwin (11 Oct 2017 4.28pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 11 Oct 17 4.26pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Once again attacking the messenger (Web MD) and not the message. Here's the world renowned Mayo Clinic saying the same thing as Web MD: [Link]

The American Academy of Pediatrics says that the benefits outweigh the risks: [Link]

Don't want to butt into a good argumemnt but all the benefits are really really low, unless you have some form of Haemophilia, which meant it has a higher risk.

It is all about the money it would seem.

TBH, if you don't have a foreskin, you ain't a complete man.

Sorry SS beat me [fnaoorrh) on the financial aspect.

Edited by pefwin (11 Oct 2017 4.28pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 17 4.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays These are American organizations complicit in this practice. Stop linking me to American justifications for this money making nonsense barbarism. These are decisions that an adult should make for themselves. The evidence in the west for countries where this stupidity isn't practiced is all you need to show you the error here. You are extrapolating the wrong opinion from the studies you cite. Just because the US has a higher rate of certain STDs (while Iceland is off the charts for chlamydia, for some reason), you make the leap of logic (to support your argument) that circumcision is bulls* because ... look! STDs. What you are not considering, because it doesn't support your agenda, is that STDs in the US may be higher than Europe for any number of reasons, and that it could be even higher but for the common practice of circumcision. What you fail to recognise is that the US has any number of factors that contribute to the high rate of STDs, including: lack of medically sound sex education (eschewed in favour of "abstinence only education in many states) and a lack of access to reproductive healthcare, particularly family planning. If you're a post-pubescent adolescent, and your school tells you that the only safe practice is abstinence because a condom doesn't stop pregnancy or STDs (this is a real thing), then those teens will have sex - because they're going to anyway - without protection. Bingo, the rise of abstinence only education correlates to an increase in unwanted teen pregnancies and STDs. But go ahead and use this as evidence to support the thing that you don't like because you want to take the option away from everyone else. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just waing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 11 Oct 17 4.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

These are American organizations complicit in this practice.

Stop linking me to American justifications for this money making nonsense barbarism. These are decisions that an adult should make for themselves.

The evidence in the west for countries where this stupidity isn't practiced is all you need to show you the error here.

You are extrapolating the wrong opinion from the studies you cite. Just because the US has a higher rate of certain STDs (while Iceland is off the charts for chlamydia, for some reason), you make the leap of logic (to support your argument) that circumcision is bulls*** because ... look! STDs.

What you are not considering, because it doesn't support your agenda, is that STDs in the US may be higher than Europe for any number of reasons, and that it could be even higher but for the common practice of circumcision.

What you fail to recognise is that the US has any number of factors that contribute to the high rate of STDs, including: lack of medically sound sex education (eschewed in favour of "abstinence only education in many states) and a lack of access to reproductive healthcare, particularly family planning.

If you're a post-pubescent adolescent, and your school tells you that the only safe practice is abstinence because a condom doesn't stop pregnancy or STDs (this is a real thing), then those teens will have sex - because they're going to anyway - without protection. Bingo, the rise of abstinence only education correlates to an increase in unwanted teen pregnancies and STDs.

But go ahead and use this as evidence to support the thing that you don't like because you want to take the option away from everyone else.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 17 4.44pm
Originally posted by pefwin Don't want to butt into a good argumemnt but all the benefits are really really low, unless you have some form of Haemophilia, which meant it has a higher risk. It is all about the money it would seem. TBH, if you don't have a foreskin, you ain't a complete man. Sorry SS beat me [fnaoorrh) on the financial aspect. The "financial aspect" is just Sterling, once again, attacking the messenger because he doesn't like the message. An entire association of qualified doctors agrees that there are medical benefits that outweigh the risks. He - and you - say that "well, they're making money." So, if a doctor in America tells a patient that. in his medical opinion, they have cancer, he's just trying to fleece them for a few bucks? We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 11 Oct 17 4.44pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Don't want to butt into a good argumemnt but all the benefits are really really low, unless you have some form of Haemophilia, which meant it has a higher risk.

It is all about the money it would seem.

TBH, if you don't have a foreskin, you ain't a complete man.

Sorry SS beat me [fnaoorrh) on the financial aspect.

The "financial aspect" is just Sterling, once again, attacking the messenger because he doesn't like the message. An entire association of qualified doctors agrees that there are medical benefits that outweigh the risks. He - and you - say that "well, they're making money."

So, if a doctor in America tells a patient that. in his medical opinion, they have cancer, he's just trying to fleece them for a few bucks?

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 11 Oct 17 4.46pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston But go ahead and use this as evidence to support the thing that you don't like because you want to take the option away from everyone else. I'm tired of debating this with you. Continue on with your nonsense support of barbarism on infants. I'll see it for what it is. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

11 Oct 17 4.46pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

But go ahead and use this as evidence to support the thing that you don't like because you want to take the option away from everyone else.

I'm tired of debating this with you.

Continue on with your nonsense support of barbarism on infants. I'll see it for what it is.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 17 4.47pm
Originally posted by OldFella So what! A life came out from all this, celebrate that I say. Let me have your address. That way when the next pregnancy from rape happens - it won't be long, there's about 25,000 a year - I can be sure to drop the baby off on the correct doorstep. That way you can celebrate its life by raising it. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 11 Oct 17 4.47pm

Originally posted by OldFella

So what! A life came out from all this, celebrate that I say.

Let me have your address. That way when the next pregnancy from rape happens - it won't be long, there's about 25,000 a year - I can be sure to drop the baby off on the correct doorstep. That way you can celebrate its life by raising it.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 17 4.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm tired of debating this with you. Continue on with your nonsense support of barbarism on infants. I'll see it for what it is. You're not debating me, your debating the opinions of medical associations that I presented to you. You can continue to disagree, that's your prerogative. I, and the medical profession, can live with that. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 11 Oct 17 4.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm tired of debating this with you.

Continue on with your nonsense support of barbarism on infants. I'll see it for what it is.

You're not debating me, your debating the opinions of medical associations that I presented to you. You can continue to disagree, that's your prerogative. I, and the medical profession, can live with that.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Oct 17 4.49pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 The courts are far too soft on people who commit sexual crimes, be they women or men, but I do believe that had the offender been a man and the person assaulted had been a woman he would have gone to jail. You should look at the rape and sexual assault conviction rate compared to the reports of rape and sexual assault to the police. About 1 in 14 reported rapes end in a conviction. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 11 Oct 17 4.49pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

The courts are far too soft on people who commit sexual crimes, be they women or men, but I do believe that had the offender been a man and the person assaulted had been a woman he would have gone to jail.

You should look at the rape and sexual assault conviction rate compared to the reports of rape and sexual assault to the police.

About 1 in 14 reported rapes end in a conviction.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 17 4.50pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 You should look at the rape and sexual assault conviction rate compared to the reports of rape and sexual assault to the police. About 1 in 14 reported rapes end in a conviction. ...and few of those convictions end in jail time. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 11 Oct 17 4.50pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

You should look at the rape and sexual assault conviction rate compared to the reports of rape and sexual assault to the police.

About 1 in 14 reported rapes end in a conviction.

...and few of those convictions end in jail time.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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