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Park Road 14 Oct 17 10.25am
Originally posted by Kermit8 or...it's an extreme sunni-wahhabist inspired religious cult's warped interpretation of a made-up book full of fairytales. And 99% of Muslims don't even follow Wahhabism and a small amount of that 1% that do have the extremist version as their creed. So 'yeah', probably not true muslims. Whether you believe that is true or not let's break it down. There is an estimated 1.8 billion Muslims in this world 1% of that (now I'm no mathematician)I think is 10,800,000 So,quite a bold statement to suggest they are not Muslim Edited by Park Road (14 Oct 2017 10.48am)
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14 Oct 17 10.25am

Originally posted by Kermit8

or...it's an extreme sunni-wahhabist inspired religious cult's warped interpretation of a made-up book full of fairytales. And 99% of Muslims don't even follow Wahhabism and a small amount of that 1% that do have the extremist version as their creed. So 'yeah', probably not true muslims.

Whether you believe that is true or not let's break it down.
There is an estimated 1.8 billion Muslims in this world 1% of that (now I'm no mathematician)I think is
10,800,000
So,quite a bold statement to suggest they are not Muslim

Edited by Park Road (14 Oct 2017 10.48am)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Oct 17 10.33am
Originally posted by Park Road A light hearted look at what a debate might sound like between some members of the HOL and a jihadist HOL: Why did you bomb innocent civilians last week? JIHADIST: “We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.” HOL:“No you didn’t.” JIHADIST: “Wait, what? Yes we did…” HOL: “No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.” JIHADIST:“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.” HOL:“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.” JIHADIST:“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.” HOL: “Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.” JIHADIST: “What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!” HOL:“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.” JIHADIST:“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.” HOL:“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.” JIHADIST:“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?” Excellent - spot on. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 14 Oct 17 10.33am

Originally posted by Park Road

A light hearted look at what a debate might sound like between some members of the HOL and a jihadist

HOL: Why did you bomb innocent civilians last week?
JIHADIST: “We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.”
HOL:“No you didn’t.”
JIHADIST: “Wait, what? Yes we did…”
HOL: “No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”
JIHADIST:“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”
HOL:“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”
JIHADIST:“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”
HOL: “Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”
JIHADIST: “What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”
HOL:“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”
JIHADIST:“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”
HOL:“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”
JIHADIST:“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”

Excellent - spot on.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Oct 17 10.54am
Originally posted by Park Road Whether you believe that is true or not let's break it down. There is an estimated 1.8 billion Muslims in this world 1% of that (now I'm no mathematician)I think is 10,800,000 So,quite a bold statement to suggest they are not Muslim Edited by Park Road (14 Oct 2017 10.48am) Let's break it down even further. 1% are Wahhabis but the vast majority of those don't follow the IS/Boko Haram.etc school of extreme warped Wahhabism and suicide bombs. We are probably looking at what... a lot less than 1 million who do? Out of 1,800,000,000. So a cult. A death cult. A deranged lot. Sick. So 'yeah' not your average muslim or even true ones according to.....other muslims. Having said that...wahhabism is where they started out before veering off and turning to the much darker side so that part of the religion needs to be nipped in the bud. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Oct 2017 10.58am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Oct 17 10.54am

Originally posted by Park Road

Edited by Park Road (14 Oct 2017 10.48am)

Let's break it down even further. 1% are Wahhabis but the vast majority of those don't follow the IS/Boko Haram.etc school of extreme warped Wahhabism and suicide bombs. We are probably looking at what... a lot less than 1 million who do? Out of 1,800,000,000.

So a cult. A death cult. A deranged lot. Sick. So 'yeah' not your average muslim or even true ones according to.....other muslims.

Having said that...wahhabism is where they started out before veering off and turning to the much darker side so that part of the religion needs to be nipped in the bud.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Oct 2017 10.58am)

Big chest and massive boobs

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Park Road 14 Oct 17 11.26am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Let's break it down even further. 1% are Wahhabis but the vast majority of those don't follow the IS/Boko Haram.etc school of extreme warped Wahhabism and suicide bombs. We are probably looking at what... a lot less than 1 million who do? Out of 1,800,000,000. So a cult. A death cult. A deranged lot. Sick. So 'yeah' not your average muslim or even true ones according to.....other muslims. Having said that...wahhabism is where they started out before veering off and turning to the much darker side so that part of the religion needs to be nipped in the bud. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Oct 2017 10.58am) First of all,fair point ! But could you be more specific on how many actually do follow? Becuase if my figures are correct most of them live in the USA In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say jihadist tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified. It’s estimated that there are about 3.3 million Muslims of all ages living in the United States. This means that Muslims made up about 1% of the total U.S. population so 8% of 3.3 million is 264,000 people who sometimes or always justify suicide bombings. now all this maths is hurting my head but from what I can work out is, that there are a lot people in the USA who think what that cult (as you call it) is doing is justified. Not Forgetting what the rest of the Muslim world think I think the numbers would rise substantially. Meaning, there are a vast more number of sympathizers then cult members.
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14 Oct 17 11.26am

Originally posted by Kermit8

So a cult. A death cult. A deranged lot. Sick. So 'yeah' not your average muslim or even true ones according to.....other muslims.

Having said that...wahhabism is where they started out before veering off and turning to the much darker side so that part of the religion needs to be nipped in the bud.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Oct 2017 10.58am)

First of all,fair point !

But could you be more specific on how many actually do follow? Becuase if my figures are correct most of them live in the USA

In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say jihadist tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified.

It’s estimated that there are about 3.3 million Muslims of all ages living in the United States. This means that Muslims made up about 1% of the total U.S. population

so 8% of 3.3 million is 264,000 people who sometimes or always justify suicide bombings.

now all this maths is hurting my head but from what I can work out is, that there are a lot people in the USA who think what that cult (as you call it) is doing is justified.
Not Forgetting what the rest of the Muslim world think I think the numbers would rise substantially. Meaning, there are a vast more number of sympathizers then cult members.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Oct 17 11.55am
Originally posted by Park Road First of all,fair point ! But could you be more specific on how many actually do follow? Becuase if my figures are correct most of them live in the USA In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say jihadist tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified. It’s estimated that there are about 3.3 million Muslims of all ages living in the United States. This means that Muslims made up about 1% of the total U.S. population so 8% of 3.3 million is 264,000 people who sometimes or always justify suicide bombings. now all this maths is hurting my head but from what I can work out is, that there are a lot people in the USA who think what that cult (as you call it) is doing is justified. Not Forgetting what the rest of the Muslim world think I think the numbers would rise substantially. Meaning, there are a vast more number of sympathizers then cult members. You could pick out a few people from the march who are hard right troublemakers and blame yourself for them if you want.
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Shizzlehurst 14 Oct 17 11.55am

Originally posted by Park Road

First of all,fair point !

But could you be more specific on how many actually do follow? Becuase if my figures are correct most of them live in the USA

It’s estimated that there are about 3.3 million Muslims of all ages living in the United States. This means that Muslims made up about 1% of the total U.S. population

so 8% of 3.3 million is 264,000 people who sometimes or always justify suicide bombings.

You could pick out a few people from the march who are hard right troublemakers and blame yourself for them if you want.

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Stirlingsays 14 Oct 17 12.06pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Let's break it down even further. 1% are Wahhabis but the vast majority of those don't follow the IS/Boko Haram.etc school of extreme warped Wahhabism and suicide bombs. We are probably looking at what... a lot less than 1 million who do? Out of 1,800,000,000. So a cult. A death cult. A deranged lot. Sick. So 'yeah' not your average muslim or even true ones according to.....other muslims. Having said that...wahhabism is where they started out before veering off and turning to the much darker side so that part of the religion needs to be nipped in the bud. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Oct 2017 10.58am) Still selling this I see. Over six hundred active M15 investigations ongoing in this country. The vast majority on Muslims and Muslim groups. Over twenty thousand Muslims on watch lists in this country. A massive section of our security budget that is in reality just focused upon one group in this country. We are constantly having to break up attacks. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Oct 2017 12.09pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Oct 17 12.06pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

So a cult. A death cult. A deranged lot. Sick. So 'yeah' not your average muslim or even true ones according to.....other muslims.

Having said that...wahhabism is where they started out before veering off and turning to the much darker side so that part of the religion needs to be nipped in the bud.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Oct 2017 10.58am)

Still selling this I see.

Over six hundred active M15 investigations ongoing in this country. The vast majority on Muslims and Muslim groups.

Over twenty thousand Muslims on watch lists in this country.

A massive section of our security budget that is in reality just focused upon one group in this country.

We are constantly having to break up attacks.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Oct 2017 12.09pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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elgrande bedford 14 Oct 17 12.08pm
Originally posted by nickgusset You could pick out a few people from the march who are hard right troublemakers and blame yourself for them if you want. Classic gusset. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 14 Oct 17 12.08pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You could pick out a few people from the march who are hard right troublemakers and blame yourself for them if you want.

Classic gusset.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Park Road 14 Oct 17 12.14pm
Originally posted by elgrande Classic gusset. Got a giggle out of me too
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14 Oct 17 12.14pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Classic gusset.

Got a giggle out of me too

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johnfirewall 17 Oct 17 6.28pm
At this stage all I have on them is that they had a nice peaceful march and are indeed an alliance of fans so I'm inclined not to take issue with them, contrary to one of the anti-racist groups stance, based on the idea that they must be racists because one of the members was an admin for a Britain First Facebook group. This is the sort of bonkers logic that could see me simply as a football fan guilty by association. But I guess that actually is the perception (Dulwich Hamlet, St Pauli or maybe Islington Corbynista Gooners aside).
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17 Oct 17 6.28pm

At this stage all I have on them is that they had a nice peaceful march and are indeed an alliance of fans so I'm inclined not to take issue with them, contrary to one of the anti-racist groups stance, based on the idea that they must be racists because one of the members was an admin for a Britain First Facebook group.

This is the sort of bonkers logic that could see me simply as a football fan guilty by association. But I guess that actually is the perception (Dulwich Hamlet, St Pauli or maybe Islington Corbynista Gooners aside).

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 5.31pm
[Link] FLA infiltrated.
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Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 5.31pm

[Link]

FLA infiltrated.

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Stirlingsays 18 Oct 17 5.40pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] FLA infiltrated. The guy who supports antifa wants us to be concerned about the FLA. I'll read a link that's about your common sense being infiltrated....but they wouldn't be able to find it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Oct 17 5.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

[Link]

FLA infiltrated.

The guy who supports antifa wants us to be concerned about the FLA.

I'll read a link that's about your common sense being infiltrated....but they wouldn't be able to find it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 6.39pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The guy who supports antifa wants us to be concerned about the FLA. I'll read a link that's about your common sense being infiltrated....but they wouldn't be able to find it. Just ignore it then. Focus on those against fascism. Nail those colours.
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Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 6.39pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The guy who supports antifa wants us to be concerned about the FLA.

I'll read a link that's about your common sense being infiltrated....but they wouldn't be able to find it.

Just ignore it then.

Focus on those against fascism. Nail those colours.

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