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 Ray in Houston  Houston 07 Dec 17 8.44pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You mean like nightclubs that exclude tramps. Fashion magazines exclude ugly girls or ugly short fat squat ones. Like you make friends with those with personality attributes that fit in with your preferred types and not with other types. Like we find, 'our types' attractive......long legs, blondes...whatever it is. Essentially I'm saying that discrimination is life. Should a business be able to advertise that because you bang the same sex as you or have a certain skin colour that they don't want you......No...I think that's too far. Do I think they should be able to come up with some bulls*** excuse not to make a cake they don't like.....yeah....that's too far the other way. There's always the shop down the way happy for the trade. This particular case really screwed with my head because there are two principles at play here and there needed to be a better solution. Apparently the Church gets to turn it's nose up at gay weddings but don't be religious and run a bakery refusing that cake! However, I don't want 'no blacks' or 'no gays' signs in Hotel windows either. Maybe if they are like this they should advertise themselves as Christian or Islamic bakeries or whatever and get the same loophole the Churches do. I don't konw....I'm not comfortable with that either....this one genuinely fecks with my head.
That Federal ruling still has to survive a possible appeal to the Supreme Court - where the newly installed Justice Gorsuch may tilt the balance against the Federal decision - but, if and until the Federal court is overruled, it's essentially the law of the land that you cannot refuse the provide service to anyone solely because they're LBGT. Nothing here stops you from denying service to someone who's gay and also an asshole or drunk or owes you money or for whatever other legitimate reason a business may refuse a customer, but you need to be ready to demonstrate your reason for refusing to serve someone from any of the communities protected by the Act.
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Stirlingsays  07 Dec 17 11.36pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Mild discrimination is everywhere and part of life I concur but overt bigotry, and that's what the cake issue is about as they weren't being asked to oversee the ceremony but just to put some flour, eggs and sugar together but refused, is much more dangerous and repugnant and should be illegal in all its guises. Those bakers despised gay people via their religion and they were rightly taken to task. The principles at play here aren't reliant upon a level of feeling towards any group or whether you agree with it or not. Also I'm not sure how you knowledge of their level of feelings towards gays.....Never mind. As was addressed in the previous post there are issues and inconsistencies with this verdict. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2017 1.41am)
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| Stuk Top half 08 Dec 17 1.13pm |
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I think you should be able to refuse to serve food to anyone who tells you they have a food allergy.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Dec 17 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The principles at play here aren't reliant upon a level of feeling towards any group or whether you agree with it or not. Also I'm not sure how you knowledge of their level of feelings towards gays.....Never mind. As was addressed in the previous post there are issues and inconsistencies with this verdict. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2017 1.41am) I respect peoples right to be homophobic jerks, provided they respect my right to treat them as homophobic jerks.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Dec 17 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I respect peoples right to be homophobic jerks, provided they respect my right to treat them as homophobic jerks. How should they treat you? It's a tricky area with arguments on both sides. I've never fully resolved this one in terms of what is ethically correct. I think there are probably workarounds. However, the UK's current cultural zeitgeist is very 'homophobic jerk' minded.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Dec 17 4.12pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
How should they treat you? It's a tricky area with arguments on both sides. I've never fully resolved this one in terms of what is ethically correct. I think there are probably workarounds. However, the UK's current cultural zeitgeist is very 'homophobic jerk' minded. I respect their right to treat me like someone who takes issue with homophobic jerks. Same rules apply, obviously.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Dec 17 4.13pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
I think you should be able to refuse to serve food to anyone who tells you they have a food allergy.
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Especially, if they have intricate beards.| Ray in Houston Houston 08 Dec 17 4.27pm |
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US Rep. Trent Franks (Republican) announced his resignation yesterday, preemptively in advance of something that is going to come out soon. It's a bit murky this one. Meanwhile, the Washington Post and CNN have been working on an in-depth expose of sexual harassment in Washington. Their report is expected to drop fairly soon, and will "out" 20-30 elected officials.
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| Stuk Top half 08 Dec 17 4.57pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Intricate beards should be illegal unless you're over 50. I was more getting at the people who order a takeaway curry when they have a nut allergy and the like.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Dec 17 5.02pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Intricate beards should be illegal unless you're over 50. I was more getting at the people who order a takeaway curry when they have a nut allergy and the like. Or a colonel in the Victorian Army. I think, given how nut allegys play out, that's kind of acceptable to warn people. For me, its people who use the word allergic for 'doesn't agree with me' or 'I don't like it'. Pussys, I've got IBS and that doesn't stop me drinking or eating a curry, somethings are worth a little discomfort.
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| Stuk Top half 08 Dec 17 5.17pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Or a colonel in the Victorian Army. I think, given how nut allegys play out, that's kind of acceptable to warn people. For me, its people who use the word allergic for 'doesn't agree with me' or 'I don't like it'. Pussys, I've got IBS and that doesn't stop me drinking or eating a curry, somethings are worth a little discomfort. Part of the uniform for an officer wasn't it? Why take the risk just to be lazy. Yeah I've got a severe allergy but i'll put blind faith in someone I don't know, when I haven't witnessed the conditions in which it is made nor whether the instruction got passed from the order taker to the chef etc. I love spicy food, you've just got to accept that the next day it might not be as pleasurable as it was on the way in!
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| Midlands Eagle 09 Dec 17 10.12am |
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Originally posted by Stuk
I was more getting at the people who order a takeaway curry when they have a nut allergy and the like. What about the 300 people on an aircraft flying away on holiday who can't have nuts as one of the passengers has a nut allergy
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