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Hrolf The Ganger 15 May 18 9.15pm
Originally posted by cryrst But again A certain, for want of a better word people wanted to settle. Is Islam not a religious tale. Are we as Christians not a biblical tale. It goes on and on holf. Sadly now I am deemed the enemy of a certain religion. I don't think it's the Jewish one that wants to stab me shoot me or blow me Up!!!!!!! Because of what they believe or have been convinced is how it is. There we go Mods close it down please. I'm speaking about the idea of Israel as a promised land specifically. We all know about other religious fantasies. I have no time for any religion, especially ones that preach violence. Currently, Israel is using excessive violence. They don't get special dispensation just for being Jewish by my reckoning.
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Originally posted by cryrst

But again
A certain, for want of a better word people wanted to settle.
Is Islam not a religious tale.
Are we as Christians not a biblical tale.
It goes on and on holf.
Sadly now I am deemed the enemy of a certain religion.
I don't think it's the Jewish one that wants to stab me shoot me or blow me Up!!!!!!! Because of what they believe or have been convinced is how it is.

There we go
Mods close it down please.

I'm speaking about the idea of Israel as a promised land specifically. We all know about other religious fantasies.
I have no time for any religion, especially ones that preach violence. Currently, Israel is using excessive violence. They don't get special dispensation just for being Jewish by my reckoning.

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 May 18 9.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Israel's right have taken the decision that compromise and peace is pointless. So it's a slow but evident land grab and process of weakening opponents. I've thought about this quite a lot....they are probably right. Their opponents will never accept Israel. It doesn't mean I like it. The whole thing is horrible and it isn't going to get better. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2018 8.06pm) I agree with this. Israel is in a position where the best thing they can do is rid themselves of the Arab population. It's a disgusting display of the worst kind of human behaviour from both sides with one being the superior force. The whole situation should not have arisen in the first place and we have to take our share of responsibility for that.
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15 May 18 9.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Israel's right have taken the decision that compromise and peace is pointless. So it's a slow but evident land grab and process of weakening opponents.

I've thought about this quite a lot....they are probably right. Their opponents will never accept Israel.

It doesn't mean I like it. The whole thing is horrible and it isn't going to get better.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2018 8.06pm)

I agree with this. Israel is in a position where the best thing they can do is rid themselves of the Arab population. It's a disgusting display of the worst kind of human behaviour from both sides with one being the superior force.
The whole situation should not have arisen in the first place and we have to take our share of responsibility for that.

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Stirlingsays 15 May 18 9.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I agree with this. Israel is in a position where the best thing they can do is rid themselves of the Arab population. It's a disgusting display of the worst kind of human behaviour from both sides with one being the superior force. The whole situation should not have arisen in the first place and we have to take our share of responsibility for that. Yep. Einstein was right......he was even right about what to do if they did go and create it......fight or die. It certainly looks like Israel gave up on anything else long ago. It's a sh1tshow of the highest order. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2018 9.29pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 May 18 9.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yep.

Einstein was right......he was even right about what to do if they did go and create it......fight or die. It certainly looks like Israel gave up on anything else long ago.

It's a sh1tshow of the highest order.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2018 9.29pm)

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.TUX. 15 May 18 9.36pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If you look at it from an Israeli survival perspective and look at it cold...take in demographics and so on, then there's a logic to it. I agree with you as to the implied emulation....still, ignoring the horrific ethics if he hadn't taken on two fronts and consolidated they would have controlled Europe.....Instead of just controlling it now seventy years on via different means.....learn from the mistakes of the enemy and all that. I have mixed feelings over Israel....but I definitely agree with the moral argument against what's happening....Then again, what is happening is just an undeclared war and war is about babies dying under rubble......it becomes about whose. Might is right was never pretty. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2018 9.03pm) Me too, until i learned of the amount of Jewish 'heads' of the Federal Reserve over the years. I wouldn't mind if they were good at their job but the continual conveyor-belt of boom-bust says the opposite! Jim Grant is right. Buy Litecoin.
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15 May 18 9.36pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you look at it from an Israeli survival perspective and look at it cold...take in demographics and so on, then there's a logic to it.

I agree with you as to the implied emulation....still, ignoring the horrific ethics if he hadn't taken on two fronts and consolidated they would have controlled Europe.....Instead of just controlling it now seventy years on via different means.....learn from the mistakes of the enemy and all that.

I have mixed feelings over Israel....but I definitely agree with the moral argument against what's happening....Then again, what is happening is just an undeclared war and war is about babies dying under rubble......it becomes about whose.

Might is right was never pretty.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2018 9.03pm)

Me too, until i learned of the amount of Jewish 'heads' of the Federal Reserve over the years.
I wouldn't mind if they were good at their job but the continual conveyor-belt of boom-bust says the opposite!

Jim Grant is right.

Buy Litecoin.

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silvertop Portishead 15 May 18 9.42pm
Amristrar, Sharpville, tianemen square, bloody Sunday... events where the actions of the perpetrators could be and were "justified" (such as the perverse logic of the OP) but which quite rightly led to international condemnation. In this case there will not be the same level of approbation; the U.N. will be inert; and the perpetrators of this atrocity will get away with it. Why? The unbending support of right wing evangelical americans. To answer your point cryst, Israelis are present on the other side of the fence in enormous force. If anyone breaks the perimeter they could always arrest them. Your analogy of vast NAZI hordes swarming through defenceless sleepy English villages would be laughable if we were not discussing naked genocide. This rubbish pretty much paraphrases what Israel has said. It's funny how, since 9/11, despotic regimes justify tyranny by describing their victims as terrorists. They have claimed that there has been bombs Molotov cocktails, gunfire and all sorts. Seriously, the IDF must have a thousand cctv cameras trained on the protesters. Had there been so much as a hint of anything but some rocks being chucked the whole world would have seen it in another Netanyahu TV presentation. It's all such obvious cobblers. The actions are wholly disproprtionate and criminally wrong. And they will get away with it with American support.
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Portishead 15 May 18 9.42pm

Amristrar, Sharpville, tianemen square, bloody Sunday... events where the actions of the perpetrators could be and were "justified" (such as the perverse logic of the OP) but which quite rightly led to international condemnation.

In this case there will not be the same level of approbation; the U.N. will be inert; and the perpetrators of this atrocity will get away with it. Why? The unbending support of right wing evangelical americans.

To answer your point cryst, Israelis are present on the other side of the fence in enormous force. If anyone breaks the perimeter they could always arrest them. Your analogy of vast NAZI hordes swarming through defenceless sleepy English villages would be laughable if we were not discussing naked genocide.

This rubbish pretty much paraphrases what Israel has said. It's funny how, since 9/11, despotic regimes justify tyranny by describing their victims as terrorists. They have claimed that there has been bombs Molotov cocktails, gunfire and all sorts. Seriously, the IDF must have a thousand cctv cameras trained on the protesters. Had there been so much as a hint of anything but some rocks being chucked the whole world would have seen it in another Netanyahu TV presentation. It's all such obvious cobblers. The actions are wholly disproprtionate and criminally wrong. And they will get away with it with American support.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 15 May 18 9.49pm
Hamas � the terrorist organisation � have said they want to send people to fling molotov cocktails over the border and breach it. Hamas are using kids as human shields and know the media will be sympathetic. You expect Israel to sit back and not defend itself?
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Hamas � the terrorist organisation � have said they want to send people to fling molotov cocktails over the border and breach it. Hamas are using kids as human shields and know the media will be sympathetic. You expect Israel to sit back and not defend itself?

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Stirlingsays 15 May 18 9.56pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Me too, until i learned of the amount of Jewish 'heads' of the Federal Reserve over the years. I wouldn't mind if they were good at their job but the continual conveyor-belt of boom-bust says the opposite! Jim Grant is right. High IQ and integration equals success. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 May 18 9.56pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Jim Grant is right.

High IQ and integration equals success.

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.TUX. 15 May 18 9.57pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Hamas � the terrorist organisation � have said they want to send people to fling molotov cocktails over the border and breach it. Hamas are using kids as human shields and know the media will be sympathetic. You expect Israel to sit back and not defend itself? ........have a long way to go before they match the US re- terror. Buy Litecoin.
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15 May 18 9.57pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Hamas � the terrorist organisation � have said they want to send people to fling molotov cocktails over the border and breach it. Hamas are using kids as human shields and know the media will be sympathetic. You expect Israel to sit back and not defend itself?

........have a long way to go before they match the US re- terror.

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cryrst The garden of England 15 May 18 9.57pm
Originally posted by silvertop Amristrar, Sharpville, tianemen square, bloody Sunday... events where the actions of the perpetrators could be and were "justified" (such as the perverse logic of the OP) but which quite rightly led to international condemnation. In this case there will not be the same level of approbation; the U.N. will be inert; and the perpetrators of this atrocity will get away with it. Why? The unbending support of right wing evangelical americans. To answer your point cryst, Israelis are present on the other side of the fence in enormous force. If anyone breaks the perimeter they could always arrest them. Your analogy of vast NAZI hordes swarming through defenceless sleepy English villages would be laughable if we were not discussing naked genocide. This rubbish pretty much paraphrases what Israel has said. It's funny how, since 9/11, despotic regimes justify tyranny by describing their victims as terrorists. They have claimed that there has been bombs Molotov cocktails, gunfire and all sorts. Seriously, the IDF must have a thousand cctv cameras trained on the protesters. Had there been so much as a hint of anything but some rocks being chucked the whole world would have seen it in another Netanyahu TV presentation. It's all such obvious cobblers. The actions are wholly disproprtionate and criminally wrong. And they will get away with it with American support. Arrest them. That's laughable considering for years there have been secret tunnels. The Arabs don't draw a map for these. Disproportionate in who's eyes. As with the recent chemical attack in Syria which has not been proven by the way. The news you see will be mainly for the bleeding heart brigade. Can you justify the reasons for all the stabbings of innocent Jews in the last few years where an Arab randomly attacks anyone in his or her cross hairs. If Israel was so anti Arab why are there mixed populations in border towns. I'm sure many want to co exist on both sides. Sadly the minority influence the majority on both sides. As in braveheart. Mere sheep following the shepherds ( ironic) And the German thing was just that An analogy but so could have been fact.
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The garden of England 15 May 18 9.57pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Arrest them.
That's laughable considering for years there have been secret tunnels.
The Arabs don't draw a map for these.
Disproportionate in who's eyes.
As with the recent chemical attack in Syria which has not been proven by the way.
The news you see will be mainly for the bleeding heart brigade.
Can you justify the reasons for all the stabbings of innocent Jews in the last few years where an Arab randomly attacks anyone in his or her cross hairs.
If Israel was so anti Arab why are there mixed populations in border towns.
I'm sure many want to co exist on both sides.
Sadly the minority influence the majority on both sides.
As in braveheart.
Mere sheep following the shepherds ( ironic)
And the German thing was just that
An analogy but so could have been fact.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 15 May 18 10.00pm
Originally posted by silvertop In this case there will not be the same level of approbation; the U.N. will be inert; and the perpetrators of this atrocity will get away with it. Why? The unbending support of right wing evangelical americans. You are trying to smear Israel by claiming that they have the support of "right wing evangelical americans". Not true! The American people, US politicians (including Democrats) and the recent US presidents have supported Israel and recognised Jerusalem as its capital. Israel is surrounded by countries who want to wipe it off the map and are attacked by terrorists every day. That is never reported. When they respond, they are the bad guys? Why do the left always support terrorists over democratic states?
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Beckenham 15 May 18 10.00pm

Originally posted by silvertop

You are trying to smear Israel by claiming that they have the support of "right wing evangelical americans". Not true!

The American people, US politicians (including Democrats) and the recent US presidents have supported Israel and recognised Jerusalem as its capital.

Israel is surrounded by countries who want to wipe it off the map and are attacked by terrorists every day. That is never reported. When they respond, they are the bad guys?

Why do the left always support terrorists over democratic states?

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Stirlingsays 15 May 18 10.00pm
Originally posted by .TUX. ........have a long way to go before they match the US re- terror. The important aspect is that the US is western and that we are western. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. Especially since the other hand (Hamas and its type) would gladly hurt you if given the chance. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 May 18 10.00pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

........have a long way to go before they match the US re- terror.

The important aspect is that the US is western and that we are western.

You don't bite the hand that feeds you. Especially since the other hand (Hamas and its type) would gladly hurt you if given the chance.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 15 May 18 10.01pm
Originally posted by .TUX. ........have a long way to go before they match the US re- terror. So it's fine for Hamas to carry on then??
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Beckenham 15 May 18 10.01pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

........have a long way to go before they match the US re- terror.

So it's fine for Hamas to carry on then??

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