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chateauferret 20 May 18 10.43pm
Originally posted by Aray the bindippers have pulled our pants down twice now. mainly because we were desperate for both Benteke and Sakho. I think they are both worth around 25% to a third less than we paid. If van Dyck is worth Ł75m I don't see how Sakho isn't easily worth Ł30m. ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

20 May 18 10.43pm

Originally posted by Aray

the bindippers have pulled our pants down twice now. mainly because we were desperate for both Benteke and Sakho. I think they are both worth around 25% to a third less than we paid.

If van Dyck is worth Ł75m I don't see how Sakho isn't easily worth Ł30m.

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silvertop Portishead 21 May 18 9.18am
Yup and Benteke is the 2nd biggest scorer with his head in the prem. A shoe-in for a club whose brand is wing play and crosses to the "big man". On paper it was a no-brainer and good value for an internaional striker in the current market. That it failed this season for reasons no-one can put their finger on could not be predicted. Hindsight is such a wonderful thing.
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Portishead 21 May 18 9.18am

Yup and Benteke is the 2nd biggest scorer with his head in the prem. A shoe-in for a club whose brand is wing play and crosses to the "big man".

On paper it was a no-brainer and good value for an internaional striker in the current market. That it failed this season for reasons no-one can put their finger on could not be predicted.

Hindsight is such a wonderful thing.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 May 18 9.24am
Originally posted by mattteo Origi is a 23 yo player though, totally worth 30 million. But, from what I understood, Klopp is waiting for him to come back from Wolfsburg (where he's had a pretty good individual season) to have a talk with him about his future at Liverpool. Solanke is on his way out on loan. Who will be the 3 backups for Salah, Mane and Firmino next year? Sturridge probaby will go. One of Fekir/Lemar will come in. One of Ings and Origi will be kept. Origi seems the only one who can actually deputise as center forward too, cause it's a position where they aren't actively searching for a player to transfer. [Link] 32 goals and assists against top division teams in the last 3 years (4600 minutes as center forward). 1 goal or assist in less than 150 minutes. Really fast too, deployed as winger several times Indeed - and when playing out wide has the ability to beat players in one-on-one situations.Good close control and a good range of shooting with both feet.I believe he is 6ft 1in tall and has the ability to jump high.Can run in behind defences and has the strength to hold off opponents.Has taken penalties for Liverpool.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 21 May 18 9.24am

Originally posted by mattteo

Origi is a 23 yo player though, totally worth 30 million.

But, from what I understood, Klopp is waiting for him to come back from Wolfsburg (where he's had a pretty good individual season) to have a talk with him about his future at Liverpool.
Solanke is on his way out on loan. Who will be the 3 backups for Salah, Mane and Firmino next year? Sturridge probaby will go. One of Fekir/Lemar will come in. One of Ings and Origi will be kept.
Origi seems the only one who can actually deputise as center forward too, cause it's a position where they aren't actively searching for a player to transfer.

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32 goals and assists against top division teams in the last 3 years (4600 minutes as center forward).
1 goal or assist in less than 150 minutes.
Really fast too, deployed as winger several times

Indeed - and when playing out wide has the ability to beat players in one-on-one situations.Good close control and a good range of shooting with both feet.I believe he is 6ft 1in tall and has the ability to jump high.Can run in behind defences and has the strength to hold off opponents.Has taken penalties for Liverpool.

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Omph Liverpool 21 May 18 1.31pm
Ha. Must have had a bit of a bad Google moment when I said he was in the world cup squad - this time around he hasn't even made the 28. That says a bit when Benteke has made the squad. Reading further his spell at Wolfsburg wasn't quite the success reported either. A Sky report from the end of March has stats showing a horrid run of 17 games with just one goal and performances that tailed off notably after a bright start. [Link] I would have thought 30 mill was too much anyway and he wouldn't seem to have done anything at Wolfsburg to take him up a bracket. You're buying potential as much as anything.
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Omph

Liverpool 21 May 18 1.31pm

Ha.

Must have had a bit of a bad Google moment when I said he was in the world cup squad - this time around he hasn't even made the 28. That says a bit when Benteke has made the squad.

Reading further his spell at Wolfsburg wasn't quite the success reported either. A Sky report from the end of March has stats showing a horrid run of 17 games with just one goal and performances that tailed off notably after a bright start.

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I would have thought 30 mill was too much anyway and he wouldn't seem to have done anything at Wolfsburg to take him up a bracket. You're buying potential as much as anything.

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mattteo 21 May 18 5.11pm
Originally posted by Omph Must have had a bit of a bad Google moment when I said he was in the world cup squad - this time around he hasn't even made the 28. That says a bit when Benteke has made the squad. Says absolutely nothing. It's a Roberto Martinez's point of view. And we all know managers are very prone to making mistakes. There's a huuuge gap between a player like Origi with 32 goals and assists in 4600 minutes and a player like Benteke with 32 goals and assists in 7500 minutes. Martinez is doing the call ups based on a preference that doesn't hold any evidence. Does he value Benteke simply because he can hold the ball?? They already have Lukaku to do that. I think Origi's speed would have come very much handy for them
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mattteo

21 May 18 5.11pm

Originally posted by Omph

Must have had a bit of a bad Google moment when I said he was in the world cup squad - this time around he hasn't even made the 28. That says a bit when Benteke has made the squad.

Says absolutely nothing. It's a Roberto Martinez's point of view. And we all know managers are very prone to making mistakes.
There's a huuuge gap between a player like Origi with 32 goals and assists in 4600 minutes and a player like Benteke with 32 goals and assists in 7500 minutes.

Martinez is doing the call ups based on a preference that doesn't hold any evidence. Does he value Benteke simply because he can hold the ball??
They already have Lukaku to do that. I think Origi's speed would have come very much handy for them

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 21 May 18 6.39pm
divock sounds like an insult. "you f***ing stupid divock". we should keep well clear on that basis alone. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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divock sounds like an insult. "you f***ing stupid divock". we should keep well clear on that basis alone.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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the.universal 21 May 18 6.42pm
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig divock sounds like an insult. "you f***ing stupid divock". we should keep well clear on that basis alone. I think Newcastle should buy him just because his name would sound awesome in a Geordie accent. Vive le Roy!
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the.universal 21 May 18 6.42pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

divock sounds like an insult. "you f***ing stupid divock". we should keep well clear on that basis alone.

I think Newcastle should buy him just because his name would sound awesome in a Geordie accent.

Vive le Roy!

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mattteo 21 May 18 6.45pm
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig divock sounds like an insult. "you f*ing stupid divock". we should keep well clear on that basis alone.** Jesus....that's a real fact based thinking!! How about taking into consideration superstitions too when deciding about going for a player or keeping clear?
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21 May 18 6.45pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

divock sounds like an insult. "you f***ing stupid divock". we should keep well clear on that basis alone.

Jesus....that's a real fact based thinking!! How about taking into consideration superstitions too when deciding about going for a player or keeping clear?

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Omph Liverpool 21 May 18 8.52pm
Originally posted by mattteo Says absolutely nothing. It's a Roberto Martinez's point of view. And we all know managers are very prone to making mistakes. There's a huuuge gap between a player like Origi with 32 goals and assists in 4600 minutes and a player like Benteke with 32 goals and assists in 7500 minutes. Martinez is doing the call ups based on a preference that doesn't hold any evidence. Does he value Benteke simply because he can hold the ball?? They already have Lukaku to do that. I think Origi's speed would have come very much handy for them Sorry I'm not buying your stats and view that he did well in struggling side. Your judgment there was way out and I think Martinez may just be a tad more informed than you. There's plenty of evidence to back up his decision not to call up Origi. If you read the reports about his stay at Wolfsburg. He had a foul season there.Yes he had a great start with 4 goals right at the start of the season but only scored 2 more after that and also performed very poorly overall. Wolfsburg went from wanting to buy him to benching him towards the business end of the season and the fans certainly didn't want him back.He bombed. Does he have qualities? For sure. But I wouldn't go anywhere near 30 mill for him. And that was the point of my post.
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Omph

Liverpool 21 May 18 8.52pm

Originally posted by mattteo

Sorry I'm not buying your stats and view that he did well in struggling side. Your judgment there was way out and I think Martinez may just be a tad more informed than you. There's plenty of evidence to back up his decision not to call up Origi.

If you read the reports about his stay at Wolfsburg. He had a foul season there.Yes he had a great start with 4 goals right at the start of the season but only scored 2 more after that and also performed very poorly overall. Wolfsburg went from wanting to buy him to benching him towards the business end of the season and the fans certainly didn't want him back.He bombed.

Does he have qualities? For sure. But I wouldn't go anywhere near 30 mill for him. And that was the point of my post.

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coulsdoneagle London 21 May 18 9.05pm
Originally posted by silvertop Yup and Benteke is the 2nd biggest scorer with his head in the prem. A shoe-in for a club whose brand is wing play and crosses to the "big man". On paper it was a no-brainer and good value for an internaional striker in the current market. That it failed this season for reasons no-one can put their finger on could not be predicted. Hindsight is such a wonderful thing. We haven’t really played with width this season. Our current formation is all about playing narrow and giving up the width in order to control the middle. Roy isn’t the type of manager to stick to one formation and I’m certain we will see the best of Benteke again.
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London 21 May 18 9.05pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Yup and Benteke is the 2nd biggest scorer with his head in the prem. A shoe-in for a club whose brand is wing play and crosses to the "big man".

On paper it was a no-brainer and good value for an internaional striker in the current market. That it failed this season for reasons no-one can put their finger on could not be predicted.

Hindsight is such a wonderful thing.

We haven’t really played with width this season. Our current formation is all about playing narrow and giving up the width in order to control the middle.

Roy isn’t the type of manager to stick to one formation and I’m certain we will see the best of Benteke again.

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 21 May 18 9.13pm
Originally posted by mattteo Jesus....that's a real fact based thinking!! How about taking into consideration superstitions too when deciding about going for a player or keeping clear? erm If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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Wickham de L'Ouest 21 May 18 9.13pm

Originally posted by mattteo

Jesus....that's a real fact based thinking!! How about taking into consideration superstitions too when deciding about going for a player or keeping clear?

erm

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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mattteo 21 May 18 11.05pm
Originally posted by Omph Sorry I'm not buying your stats and view that he did well in struggling side. Your judgment there was way out and I think Martinez may just be a tad more informed than you. There's plenty of evidence to back up his decision not to call up Origi. If you read the reports about his stay at Wolfsburg. He had a foul season there.Yes he had a great start with 4 goals right at the start of the season but only scored 2 more after that and also performed very poorly overall. Wolfsburg went from wanting to buy him to benching him towards the business end of the season and the fans certainly didn't want him back.He bombed. Does he have qualities? For sure. But I wouldn't go anywhere near 30 mill for him. And that was the point of my post. He had scored those first 4 goals in 700 minutes. Went on to score 3 more and give 3 assists in the next 1500 minutes he played until the end of the season. Pretty much a similar stat, 1 in 200 minutes, it shows constance. But he was very much forced as a winger. As a center forward alone he has 28 goals and assists in 4000 minutes in Wolfsburg and Liverpool. So, play him asa acenter forward and he is better than most. Play him as a winger and he does all right, but not extraordinarily.
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mattteo

21 May 18 11.05pm

Originally posted by Omph

Does he have qualities? For sure. But I wouldn't go anywhere near 30 mill for him. And that was the point of my post.

He had scored those first 4 goals in 700 minutes.

Went on to score 3 more and give 3 assists in the next 1500 minutes he played until the end of the season.

Pretty much a similar stat, 1 in 200 minutes, it shows constance. But he was very much forced as a winger. As a center forward alone he has 28 goals and assists in 4000 minutes in Wolfsburg and Liverpool.
So, play him asa acenter forward and he is better than most. Play him as a winger and he does all right, but not extraordinarily.

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