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Sportyteacher London 26 Jun 18 2.16pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol From the grind your gears thread, I thought I'd spark the debate on here I think he's a force for good, calls out politicians lies, social injustices and helps to destroy myths peddled by right wing press Brilliant journalist Exemplary broadcaster who cuts through the Politicians' double standards and lies. He exposes all too easily the selective memory syndrome of too many MPs and indeed members of the public via their calls in - he'll also soundly expose the donkey-like poor reasoning / sheer ignorance of far too many people who are entrusted to make an informed decision at the ballot box. He'll criticise Labour as well as Conservatives with the latter getting the brunt of attention given that they are in Government. He is the radio voice defender of the everyday hard-pressed citizen who is trying to make a living and bring up a family etc. Compulsive listening during the school holidays....
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Sportyteacher

London 26 Jun 18 2.16pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

From the grind your gears thread, I thought I'd spark the debate on here

I think he's a force for good, calls out politicians lies, social injustices and helps to destroy myths peddled by right wing press

Brilliant journalist

Exemplary broadcaster who cuts through the Politicians' double standards and lies. He exposes all too easily the selective memory syndrome of too many MPs and indeed members of the public via their calls in - he'll also soundly expose the donkey-like poor reasoning / sheer ignorance of far too many people who are entrusted to make an informed decision at the ballot box. He'll criticise Labour as well as Conservatives with the latter getting the brunt of attention given that they are in Government. He is the radio voice defender of the everyday hard-pressed citizen who is trying to make a living and bring up a family etc. Compulsive listening during the school holidays....

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Sportyteacher London 26 Jun 18 2.20pm
Originally posted by cryrst He has basically condemned everyone ref grenfell Without waiting for any facts Not good if you are mainstream. People believe these 'facts' Certain facts have long been known about Grenfell e.g. cheaper, flammable tiling used etc. He has always gone to the known facts as well as researched background / history to subject of phone-in discussion. It's more a case of what people CHOOSE to hear....
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Sportyteacher

London 26 Jun 18 2.20pm

Originally posted by cryrst

He has basically condemned everyone ref grenfell
Without waiting for any facts
Not good if you are mainstream.
People believe these 'facts'

Certain facts have long been known about Grenfell e.g. cheaper, flammable tiling used etc. He has always gone to the known facts as well as researched background / history to subject of phone-in discussion.

It's more a case of what people CHOOSE to hear....

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Pussay Patrol 26 Jun 18 2.28pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm doing rather well for myself nowadays. Far better than when I was doing sixty hour weeks at the teaching coal-front. So the lazy stereotyping is yours. If you could correctly comprehend my attitude, you would understand that I don't hold contempt for the middle class.....in fact I view them as vital for the maintaining of a meritocratic society (as long as the people in those positions are there by merit and not cronyism). What I do hold contempt for are....as I said, 'champagne socialists'. Middle class people who advocate for socialist policies while enjoying the benefits of a lifestyle that employs all the realities of advantage. If you believe in equality. Then live a life that is equal to the average. Otherwise you are a hypocrite who believes in selective equality. If you are lucky enough to earn more than the average, then give the excess away to causes you believe in. 'Equality for thee, but not for me.' Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2018 2.01pm) so you give up your above average earnings I take it? Paua oouaaranc� Ir� chiyeah Ish� gal� ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

26 Jun 18 2.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm doing rather well for myself nowadays. Far better than when I was doing sixty hour weeks at the teaching coal-front.

So the lazy stereotyping is yours.

If you could correctly comprehend my attitude, you would understand that I don't hold contempt for the middle class.....in fact I view them as vital for the maintaining of a meritocratic society (as long as the people in those positions are there by merit and not cronyism).

What I do hold contempt for are....as I said, 'champagne socialists'. Middle class people who advocate for socialist policies while enjoying the benefits of a lifestyle that employs all the realities of advantage.

If you believe in equality. Then live a life that is equal to the average. Otherwise you are a hypocrite who believes in selective equality. If you are lucky enough to earn more than the average, then give the excess away to causes you believe in.

'Equality for thee, but not for me.'

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2018 2.01pm)

so you give up your above average earnings I take it?

Paua oouaaranc� Ir� chiyeah Ish� gal� ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 26 Jun 18 2.35pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol so you give up your above average earnings I take it? Socialism is meant to be about equality. Do you believe in equality? I don't. So I'm hypocrite free on this one. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2018 2.35pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

26 Jun 18 2.35pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

so you give up your above average earnings I take it?

Socialism is meant to be about equality.

Do you believe in equality?

I don't.

So I'm hypocrite free on this one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2018 2.35pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 26 Jun 18 2.53pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Certain facts have long been known about Grenfell e.g. cheaper, flammable tiling used etc. He has always gone to the known facts as well as researched background / history to subject of phone-in discussion. It's more a case of what people CHOOSE to hear.... Yup that's right it was cheaper and flammable but at the time it was passed for the standard required. A lack of training may be the reason so many died. (Apart from the fire and perfect storm on the night of course) It is only alleged though. Let's wait for the result of the inquiry.
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cryrst

The garden of England 26 Jun 18 2.53pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

It's more a case of what people CHOOSE to hear....

Yup that's right it was cheaper and flammable but at the time it was passed for the standard required.
A lack of training may be the reason so many died.
(Apart from the fire and perfect storm on the night of course)
It is only alleged though.
Let's wait for the result of the inquiry.

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Matov 26 Jun 18 4.33pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Exemplary broadcaster who cuts through the Politicians' double standards and lies. . He is very good at what he does, and it is clear that LBC rather like employing him as a foil to Nick Ferrari, (along with helping them keep up their spread of social groups to boast to advertisers about) but he has pinned himself in a corner given his own love of spouting off Progressive BS. And the BBC did drop him from Newsnight because of it. Also I believe he started off as a show business journalist rather than a serious political commentator and I am convinced that he plays up to a cynically woven image of himself. His 'brand' works for him, that much is clear. And like many on the left now I suspect that he is all for his own brand of freedom of speech whilst keen to clamp down on that of others but I concede I am bringing my own shoulder chips to the table here. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

26 Jun 18 4.33pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Exemplary broadcaster who cuts through the Politicians' double standards and lies. .

He is very good at what he does, and it is clear that LBC rather like employing him as a foil to Nick Ferrari, (along with helping them keep up their spread of social groups to boast to advertisers about) but he has pinned himself in a corner given his own love of spouting off Progressive BS.

And the BBC did drop him from Newsnight because of it.

Also I believe he started off as a show business journalist rather than a serious political commentator and I am convinced that he plays up to a cynically woven image of himself. His 'brand' works for him, that much is clear.

And like many on the left now I suspect that he is all for his own brand of freedom of speech whilst keen to clamp down on that of others but I concede I am bringing my own shoulder chips to the table here.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 26 Jun 18 4.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I recognise that he's intelligent but he's a hypocritical 'champagne socialist'. He advocates for policies that would wreck the economy and meritocracy and would make reduce wealth yet lives in a wealthy area and gets to enjoy all the benefit of wealth. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2018 7.39am) Never understood how Champagne could be considered derogatory. Surely a "Prosecco Socialist" is worse that truly is the chattering classes. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 26 Jun 18 4.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I recognise that he's intelligent but he's a hypocritical 'champagne socialist'.

He advocates for policies that would wreck the economy and meritocracy and would make reduce wealth yet lives in a wealthy area and gets to enjoy all the benefit of wealth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2018 7.39am)

Never understood how Champagne could be considered derogatory. Surely a "Prosecco Socialist" is worse that truly is the chattering classes.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stuk Top half 26 Jun 18 5.28pm
Originally posted by pefwin Never understood how Champagne could be considered derogatory. Surely a "Prosecco Socialist" is worse that truly is the chattering classes. It's not, is it? It's to make the oxymoron work. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 26 Jun 18 5.28pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Never understood how Champagne could be considered derogatory. Surely a "Prosecco Socialist" is worse that truly is the chattering classes.

It's not, is it? It's to make the oxymoron work.

Optimistic as ever

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 26 Jun 18 7.18pm
Originally posted by Lofty3rgj This 100%, listened to him for many years, but about a year ago enough was enough. Switched to BBC Radio London, Robert Elms show is fantastic. Brilliant show. Robert Elms is one cool man. Very knowledgeable about all things London and music. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 26 Jun 18 7.18pm

Originally posted by Lofty3rgj

This 100%, listened to him for many years, but about a year ago enough was enough.
Switched to BBC Radio London, Robert Elms show is fantastic.

Brilliant show. Robert Elms is one cool man. Very knowledgeable about all things London and music.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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Pussay Patrol 26 Jun 18 9.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Socialism is meant to be about equality. Do you believe in equality? I don't. So I'm hypocrite free on this one. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2018 2.35pm) So you believe in inequality? I still don't see the hypocrisy, if he was trying to portray himself as something he isn't, I would be inclined to agree, but he openly admits to his background. I don't have a problem with his socialist principles, unlike you I don't buy into class divide. Paua oouaaranc� Ir� chiyeah Ish� gal� ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

26 Jun 18 9.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Socialism is meant to be about equality.

Do you believe in equality?

I don't.

So I'm hypocrite free on this one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2018 2.35pm)

So you believe in inequality?

I still don't see the hypocrisy, if he was trying to portray himself as something he isn't, I would be inclined to agree, but he openly admits to his background.

I don't have a problem with his socialist principles, unlike you I don't buy into class divide.

Paua oouaaranc� Ir� chiyeah Ish� gal� ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 26 Jun 18 11.28pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol So you believe in inequality? I still don't see the hypocrisy, if he was trying to portray himself as something he isn't, I would be inclined to agree, but he openly admits to his background. I don't have a problem with his socialist principles, unlike you I don't buy into class divide. I believe in meritocracy. Equality is the enemy of meritocracy. If you fail to see the hypocrisy I can't really help you. 'Class divide'? I'm not the socialist! It's frustrating communicating with you. You don't answer a question put to you and instead reply with a question and then waffle about not seeing a point I made very clearly. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

26 Jun 18 11.28pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So you believe in inequality?

I still don't see the hypocrisy, if he was trying to portray himself as something he isn't, I would be inclined to agree, but he openly admits to his background.

I don't have a problem with his socialist principles, unlike you I don't buy into class divide.

I believe in meritocracy. Equality is the enemy of meritocracy.

If you fail to see the hypocrisy I can't really help you.

'Class divide'? I'm not the socialist!

It's frustrating communicating with you. You don't answer a question put to you and instead reply with a question and then waffle about not seeing a point I made very clearly.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Pussay Patrol 27 Jun 18 6.05am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I believe in meritocracy. Equality is the enemy of meritocracy. If you fail to see the hypocrisy I can't really help you. 'Class divide'? I'm not the socialist! It's frustrating communicating with you. You don't answer a question put to you and instead reply with a question and then waffle about not seeing a point I made very clearly. Okay but meritocracy isn't to do with wealth and priveledge although it could be argued it goes hand in hand but you were referring to what he earns and how much wealth he has, which was kind of pigeon holing. You don't accept that anyone can have decent socialist principles whatever their background or lifestyle, instead leaning towards stereotypes Paua oouaaranc� Ir� chiyeah Ish� gal� ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

27 Jun 18 6.05am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I believe in meritocracy. Equality is the enemy of meritocracy.

If you fail to see the hypocrisy I can't really help you.

'Class divide'? I'm not the socialist!

It's frustrating communicating with you. You don't answer a question put to you and instead reply with a question and then waffle about not seeing a point I made very clearly.

Okay but meritocracy isn't to do with wealth and priveledge although it could be argued it goes hand in hand but you were referring to what he earns and how much wealth he has, which was kind of pigeon holing. You don't accept that anyone can have decent socialist principles whatever their background or lifestyle, instead leaning towards stereotypes

Paua oouaaranc� Ir� chiyeah Ish� gal� ma ba oo ah

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