O’Sullivan’s Law
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 Stirlingsays  10 Jul 18 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Agreed but I think if this 'law' proves anything, its that balance is impossible. Trying to get balance in a workplace of any kind is like trying to get everyone on twitter to agree on something, it should be easy on paper but its impossible for your politics to not influence your decisions. I personally dont care what someones politics are as long as the word 'far' cant apply to it. In an ideal world it shouldnt make a difference if an institution is full of left or right, they are not there to indoctrinate people in the first place...I do get that we are not in an ideal world though...
I think you're right when you refer to extent. If you have far right or far left people.....they are both going to act like this. I don't think this 'law' would exist if the institutions were full of moderates or centralists. Ferguson talked about this tendency and said that it's just reality that university institutions are stripped bare of conservatives and left wing hiring committees only hire in their own image.
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 10 Jul 18 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Some situations you might get a 'maybe' out of it but I think the definition of 'institutions' could be important. Its definatly an interesting theory but it feels like one of those ones that is easy to say, impossible to prove and will just reinforce what you already believe. If you a righty, you will 'reckon' that sounds correct and if you are a lefty, you will 'reckon' its the sort of thing that the right believe because they are 'a bit like that...'
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| Beanyboysmd 10 Jul 18 2.31pm |
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Its interesting, just looked into it and he implied that its 'any organisation that starts right wing will eventually become left wing'. It doesnt say anything about institutions (although institutions its much easier to defend as true) but the guy was a writer for Margaret Thatcher so I think there is ultra heavy bias there. I actually agree with his reasoning though, in an attempt to appeal to more people, you have to dilute your principals, thqt part I agree with but I think that applies to both sides... I dont know, 'your principles will be lost if you include everyone' is bordering on a barnham statement to be honest...
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 18 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Its interesting, just looked into it and he implied that its 'any organisation that starts right wing will eventually become left wing'. It doesnt say anything about institutions (although institutions its much easier to defend as true) but the guy was a writer for Margaret Thatcher so I think there is ultra heavy bias there. I actually agree with his reasoning though, in an attempt to appeal to more people, you have to dilute your principals, thqt part I agree with but I think that applies to both sides... I dont know, 'your principles will be lost if you include everyone' is bordering on a barnham statement to be honest... Well, to be fair the words, 'any organization' would include 'institutions'. I'm very much of the mind that institutions that have a non political purpose should be free of overt politics. I know that in these polarized times that this is a pipe-dream.
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| Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 10 Jul 18 4.03pm |
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Can’t you just create a right wing/left wing discussion thread and bundle all of your ramblings on there? You literally don’t comment on much else anyway.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 10 Jul 18 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Interesting this.....it's about political decay and stasis in institutions. O’Sullivan’s Law states that any organization or enterprise that is not expressly right wing will become left wing over time. The law is named after British journalist John O’Sullivan. Right wingers are willing to hire left-wing employees in the interest of fairness. However, once left-wingers, reach the stage where they can hire they don't display the same tolerance and will not hire conservatives. The result over time is that conservative enterprises are infiltrated by leftists but leftist enterprises remain the same or get worse. You mean better. And it can't be a "law". It's hardly Newton. It's just an observation or theory.
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| Beanyboysmd 10 Jul 18 5.05pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You mean better. And it can't be a "law". It's hardly Newton. It's just an observation or theory. Law sounds more credible..."Right wing person recons that left wing people ruin everything" doesnt have the same ring to it!
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 18 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You mean better. And it can't be a "law". It's hardly Newton. It's just an observation or theory. Your first sentence, perhaps shows that you'd probably be a part of this problem......or perhaps you meant it to amuse....as it did amuse. Your second sentence....I think you're being a little literal there....it's just name given to a idea about institutions/organisations....it's not official. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2018 5.50pm)
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 18 5.50pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Law sounds more credible..."Right wing person recons that left wing people ruin everything" doesnt have the same ring to it! I'm not against left wing people in organizations. But I am against activists and many idealogs....as they don't tend to be even handed.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jul 18 5.52pm |
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
Can’t you just create a right wing/left wing discussion thread and bundle all of your ramblings on there? You literally don’t comment on much else anyway. ? This is the News and Politics section......what are you waffling about General. Have you been in the sun too long?
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 10 Jul 18 11.12pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Interesting this.....it's about political decay and stasis in institutions. O’Sullivan’s Law states that any organization or enterprise that is not expressly right wing will become left wing over time. The law is named after British journalist John O’Sullivan. Right wingers are willing to hire left-wing employees in the interest of fairness. However, once left-wingers, reach the stage where they can hire they don't display the same tolerance and will not hire conservatives. The result over time is that conservative enterprises are infiltrated by leftists but leftist enterprises remain the same or get worse. I thought O’Sullivan’s Law was "no Irish".
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| Stirlingsays 11 Jul 18 4.20am |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I thought O’Sullivan’s Law was "no Irish".
I'm certainly alright with a 'no Irish music' law.
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