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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Jul 18 12.49pm
Originally posted by Vaibow This is down from memory, so i could have mistakes. Halloway in the prem, scattergun approach too many to list, Gayle being the top signing, chamakh, hunt, kebe, etc but we also lost Zaha. Holoway - is style is attacking - on pitch it just wasn't working. Pulis signed: Dann, Ledley, Puncheon and Hennessey, Hangeland, Kelly and Campbell. Paid out, but then got it back. We can see where Pulis was going with this, sensible buys, just to get us over the line without busting the bank - They suited his style with punch and Dann being fan favs. Solid defense and counter attack. Warnock comes in on a two year contract - brings in on loan Zaha. Warnock let go early. Paid out. Lost money on warnock, not really changed the squad too much. Nothing changed too much. Pardew, 3 year contract and they also paid 3.5 million to newcastle. Cabaye, Mandanda, Benteke, Townsend, Adebayor, Mutch. We lost a couple of characters - Jedi, Yaniick, FFS. Wanted to play expansive football, a couple of signings showed that intent. It never really worked out - pardew just wasn't up to it. After that Steve Parish said Pardew's "expansive style of football hasn't worked", and, "Now we're going to wind the dial back the other way." Big Sam - must have been a hefty wage, 3 years at 2.5?? Signs Schlupp, PVA, Sakho? Millivojevic. He has come in, worked on the defense, sets signings to accommodate that - so the pardew era scratched off, all those signings, weren't really needed as didn't perform no better than what Pulis had. FDB: Reidwald, loans RLC, TFM probably given a nice contract too. Sacked after a month. Not much to say. Roy. worked wonders with 3 managers worth of players, signs two players in january that didn't even feature, a keeper ditto and an expensive norwegian kid. Pardew royally messed us up and the contingency plan was, in my mind to rectify things this summer - identify who stays, who goes, what.s needed to bolster. That doesn't look like it. It looks like 'oh we need ya but can't afford ya, oh by then' and 'hmmm who is cheap and will wanna come to us'. This summer was the summer to spend the money so we got to 40 points in a good manner, and then summer after, slight adjustments. Rather than every two years, massive over haul. The bold players - expensive and Sakho was billed as a necessity and a must buy. I think had Pulis stayed one more season - which he may well have done if things were different, we would be in a different spot now i am sure. I wouldn�t be so sure if Pulis had stayed one more season we�d be in a better. Probably a different one as you say but not guaranteed to be better. He didn�t want Zaha and the Pulis effect blew up at WBA. It was really gutting what Pulis did but he suffered financially for it. The real issue imo was hanging onto Pardew too long, not signing a left back or even scouting for one in the summer and then paying a premium for 2 when we could�ve originally signed 1 for a premium survived the season without those amateurish performances at hull, Swansea etc and scouted for a cheaper one the next summer. But then Parish May have kept Pardew in for longer. Then there�s the similar blinding error with FDB that became apparent 3 weeks into his role with Parish away on 7 holidays without tapping Frank on the shoulder and asking him if he�s sure after saying one thing and doing another. Whatever, now we simply have to get people in for the middle of the park and not Rach or Jakip level signings or we�re in trouble and so is their investment. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 Jul 18 12.49pm

Originally posted by Vaibow

This is down from memory, so i could have mistakes.
Halloway in the prem, scattergun approach too many to list, Gayle being the top signing, chamakh, hunt, kebe, etc but we also lost Zaha. Holoway - is style is attacking - on pitch it just wasn't working.

Pulis signed: Dann, Ledley, Puncheon and Hennessey, Hangeland, Kelly and Campbell. Paid out, but then got it back.

We can see where Pulis was going with this, sensible buys, just to get us over the line without busting the bank - They suited his style with punch and Dann being fan favs. Solid defense and counter attack.

Warnock comes in on a two year contract - brings in on loan Zaha.
Warnock let go early. Paid out.
Lost money on warnock, not really changed the squad too much. Nothing changed too much.

Pardew, 3 year contract and they also paid 3.5 million to newcastle. Cabaye, Mandanda, Benteke, Townsend, Adebayor, Mutch. We lost a couple of characters - Jedi, Yaniick, FFS.
Wanted to play expansive football, a couple of signings showed that intent. It never really worked out - pardew just wasn't up to it.

After that Steve Parish said Pardew's "expansive style of football hasn't worked", and, "Now we're going to wind the dial back the other way."

Big Sam - must have been a hefty wage, 3 years at 2.5?? Signs Schlupp, PVA, Sakho? Millivojevic.
He has come in, worked on the defense, sets signings to accommodate that - so the pardew era scratched off, all those signings, weren't really needed as didn't perform no better than what Pulis had.

FDB: Reidwald, loans RLC, TFM probably given a nice contract too. Sacked after a month.
Not much to say.

Roy. worked wonders with 3 managers worth of players, signs two players in january that didn't even feature, a keeper ditto and an expensive norwegian kid.

Pardew royally messed us up and the contingency plan was, in my mind to rectify things this summer - identify who stays, who goes, what.s needed to bolster.

That doesn't look like it. It looks like 'oh we need ya but can't afford ya, oh by then' and 'hmmm who is cheap and will wanna come to us'.

This summer was the summer to spend the money so we got to 40 points in a good manner, and then summer after, slight adjustments. Rather than every two years, massive over haul.

The bold players - expensive and Sakho was billed as a necessity and a must buy.

I think had Pulis stayed one more season - which he may well have done if things were different, we would be in a different spot now i am sure.

I wouldn�t be so sure if Pulis had stayed one more season we�d be in a better. Probably a different one as you say but not guaranteed to be better. He didn�t want Zaha and the Pulis effect blew up at WBA.

It was really gutting what Pulis did but he suffered financially for it. The real issue imo was hanging onto Pardew too long, not signing a left back or even scouting for one in the summer and then paying a premium for 2 when we could�ve originally signed 1 for a premium survived the season without those amateurish performances at hull, Swansea etc and scouted for a cheaper one the next summer. But then Parish May have kept Pardew in for longer.

Then there�s the similar blinding error with FDB that became apparent 3 weeks into his role with Parish away on 7 holidays without tapping Frank on the shoulder and asking him if he�s sure after saying one thing and doing another.

Whatever, now we simply have to get people in for the middle of the park and not Rach or Jakip level signings or we�re in trouble and so is their investment.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Jul 18 12.53pm
Originally posted by new_in_Wait I agree, but I'm not sure we can spend 10M on players who cannot (at least on paper) have an immediate impact. It's hard to see how we can spend 10M on people that we then send out to face Margate or Bromley. The top clubs do spend a lot/year for young talents, but that money doesn't come out of the main transfer budget and they've got a better loan system to make sure those players gain experience (of course, Chelsea is a negative/extreme example of that). If we have 10M to spend, I'd say spend it on senior players. But to get 2-3 good senior players for roughly 3-5M each takes good scouting and having good connections in second-tier European leagues (e.g. Belgium, Greece, Austria etc.). Fat Sam did a good job finding Luka, we should be doing more of that. But then again, Luka was 11-12M, so that standard of player seems out of reach at the moment. I bet it�s not to replace Cabaye. If we were prepared to spend �16 mil or more wasn�t it on Adamou with FFP looming to survive last season then we�re surely prepared to pay �10 mil to survive this summer because if not we�ll be spending �20-�25 mil in January. Remember I�ve said that. We have obvious form there. Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Jul 2018 12.54pm) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 Jul 18 12.53pm

Originally posted by new_in_Wait

I agree, but I'm not sure we can spend 10M on players who cannot (at least on paper) have an immediate impact. It's hard to see how we can spend 10M on people that we then send out to face Margate or Bromley.

The top clubs do spend a lot/year for young talents, but that money doesn't come out of the main transfer budget and they've got a better loan system to make sure those players gain experience (of course, Chelsea is a negative/extreme example of that).

If we have 10M to spend, I'd say spend it on senior players. But to get 2-3 good senior players for roughly 3-5M each takes good scouting and having good connections in second-tier European leagues (e.g. Belgium, Greece, Austria etc.). Fat Sam did a good job finding Luka, we should be doing more of that. But then again, Luka was 11-12M, so that standard of player seems out of reach at the moment.

I bet it�s not to replace Cabaye. If we were prepared to spend �16 mil or more wasn�t it on Adamou with FFP looming to survive last season then we�re surely prepared to pay �10 mil to survive this summer because if not we�ll be spending �20-�25 mil in January. Remember I�ve said that. We have obvious form there.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Jul 2018 12.54pm)

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manwitheagletattoo Somewhere in England 19 Jul 18 1.08pm
Forgive me if I�m a little off the mark here. Yes Hodgson has said that there is very little money on transfers and is looking at the loan market. IF Palace�s financial woes are as bad as some are suggesting on this website surely the likes of Sky Sports who like a good doom and gloom story the BBC and every other sports Journalist would be hounding, Steve Parish, board members, players and anyone connected to the club for updates on that one off scoop story regarding the club has money problems. Also taking into account the papers, especially the Daily Mirror who would jump at the chance of writing and persistently write about Palace�s downfalls, but all they seem to be writing about is the immediate signing of Baracar. Again If Palace�s money problems are this bad don�t you think that the FA would have had prior knowledge after viewing their accounts, surely by now we would have all known that there is some serious money problems to the point of being hit with a points deduction. The FA would not let Palace play in the 2018-19 season if they could not fulfill their financial obligations. WHY would Steve Parish the board waste their time and effort fighting and planning for this new stand if the club was going to the wall. I also think that Steve Parish has a little more respect for the Palace fans and would put some sort of statement regarding these issues. South London & Proud Sometimes I really wonder if family are really worth it. Because it doesn�t matter how time and affection you give It�s never enough
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Forgive me if I�m a little off the mark here. Yes Hodgson has said that there is very little money on transfers and is looking at the loan market. IF Palace�s financial woes are as bad as some are suggesting on this website surely the likes of Sky Sports who like a good doom and gloom story the BBC and every other sports
Journalist would be hounding, Steve Parish, board members, players and anyone connected to the club for updates on that one off scoop story regarding the club has money problems. Also taking into account the papers, especially the Daily Mirror who would jump at the chance of writing and persistently write about Palace�s downfalls, but all they seem to be writing about is the immediate signing of Baracar.
Again If Palace�s money problems are this bad don�t you think that the FA would have had prior knowledge after viewing their accounts, surely by now we would have all known that there is some serious money problems to the point of being hit with a points deduction. The FA would not let Palace play in the 2018-19 season if they could not fulfill their financial obligations. WHY would Steve Parish the board waste their time and effort fighting and planning for this new stand if the club was going to the wall. I also think that Steve Parish has a little more respect for the Palace fans and would put some sort of statement regarding these issues.

South London & Proud
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Because it doesn�t matter how time and affection you give
It�s never enough

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Jacey 19 Jul 18 1.27pm
We know that there are some three weeks to go before the window closes and that loan signings look highly likely,or some last minute activity in the usual Parish style. Meanwhile, Brighton have virtually completed their window activity with no less than six new signings.
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Jacey

19 Jul 18 1.27pm

We know that there are some three weeks to go before the window closes and that loan signings look highly likely,or some last minute activity in the usual Parish style.

Meanwhile, Brighton have virtually completed their window activity with no less than six new signings.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 19 Jul 18 1.30pm
Originally posted by Jacey We know that there are some three weeks to go before the window closes and that loan signings look highly likely,or some last minute activity in the usual Parish style. Meanwhile, Brighton have virtually completed their window activity with no less than six new signings. They are only in their second PL season though so you'd expect a bit more activity than us, but that doesn't mean we don't have work to do in the midfield as a minimum. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 19 Jul 18 1.30pm

Originally posted by Jacey

We know that there are some three weeks to go before the window closes and that loan signings look highly likely,or some last minute activity in the usual Parish style.

Meanwhile, Brighton have virtually completed their window activity with no less than six new signings.

They are only in their second PL season though so you'd expect a bit more activity than us, but that doesn't mean we don't have work to do in the midfield as a minimum.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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Painter Croydon 19 Jul 18 1.42pm
Originally posted by manwitheagletattoo Forgive me if I�m a little off the mark here. Yes Hodgson has said that there is very little money on transfers and is looking at the loan market. IF Palace�s financial woes are as bad as some are suggesting on this website surely the likes of Sky Sports who like a good doom and gloom story the BBC and every other sports Journalist would be hounding, Steve Parish, board members, players and anyone connected to the club for updates on that one off scoop story regarding the club has money problems. Also taking into account the papers, especially the Daily Mirror who would jump at the chance of writing and persistently write about Palace�s downfalls, but all they seem to be writing about is the immediate signing of Baracar. Again If Palace�s money problems are this bad don�t you think that the FA would have had prior knowledge after viewing their accounts, surely by now we would have all known that there is some serious money problems to the point of being hit with a points deduction. The FA would not let Palace play in the 2018-19 season if they could not fulfill their financial obligations. WHY would Steve Parish the board waste their time and effort fighting and planning for this new stand if the club was going to the wall. I also think that Steve Parish has a little more respect for the Palace fans and would put some sort of statement regarding these issues. Palace haven�t got money problems, don�t know where you got that from. You make it sound as if, we are millions of pounds in debt and the taxman wants to close us down. Prudent managing of spending and wages are required that�s all. As Parish has said on many occasions, if we don�t expand the ground to generate more income, we aren�t going to able to compete on an equal basis. It�s not that difficult to understand.
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Croydon 19 Jul 18 1.42pm

Originally posted by manwitheagletattoo

Palace haven�t got money problems, don�t know where you got that from. You make it sound as if, we are millions of pounds in debt and the taxman wants to close us down.
Prudent managing of spending and wages are required that�s all. As Parish has said on many occasions, if we don�t expand the ground to generate more income, we aren�t going to able to compete on an equal basis.
It�s not that difficult to understand.

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manwitheagletattoo Somewhere in England 19 Jul 18 1.52pm
Originally posted by Painter Palace haven�t got money problems, don�t know where you got that from. You make it sound as if, we are millions of pounds in debt and the taxman wants to close us down. Prudent managing of spending and wages are required that�s all. As Parish has said on many occasions, if we don�t expand the ground to generate more income, we aren�t going to able to compete on an equal basis. It�s not that difficult to understand. Exactly my point ! South London & Proud Sometimes I really wonder if family are really worth it. Because it doesn�t matter how time and affection you give It�s never enough
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Somewhere in England 19 Jul 18 1.52pm

Originally posted by Painter

Exactly my point !

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Jul 18 1.53pm
Originally posted by Painter Palace haven�t got money problems, don�t know where you got that from. You make it sound as if, we are millions of pounds in debt and the taxman wants to close us down. Prudent managing of spending and wages are required that�s all. As Parish has said on many occasions, if we don�t expand the ground to generate more income, we aren�t going to able to compete on an equal basis. It�s not that difficult to understand. This post doesn�t contain any sensationalism. How disappointing. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 Jul 18 1.53pm

Originally posted by Painter

This post doesn�t contain any sensationalism. How disappointing.

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CrazyBadger Ware 19 Jul 18 2.15pm
It Seems To me that they are all playing their Cards close to their Chest....which likely means that nothing they are trying is coming off. I'd be surprised if no approaches had been made to anyone, whether these are Serious offers, who knows. Another stressful window - I'd hope for a few deals to come out of it, but I am not holding out much hope that they would be game changing. I just want to make sure that we replace YC. My only worry is that we're putting all our eggs in the RLC Basket. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 19 Jul 18 2.15pm

It Seems To me that they are all playing their Cards close to their Chest....which likely means that nothing they are trying is coming off. I'd be surprised if no approaches had been made to anyone, whether these are Serious offers, who knows.
Another stressful window - I'd hope for a few deals to come out of it, but I am not holding out much hope that they would be game changing. I just want to make sure that we replace YC. My only worry is that we're putting all our eggs in the RLC Basket.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Midlands Eagle 19 Jul 18 2.15pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman This post doesn�t contain any sensationalism. How disappointing. Painter's posts never do as he is the club's chief cheerleader
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

This post doesn�t contain any sensationalism. How disappointing.

Painter's posts never do as he is the club's chief cheerleader

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Maine Eagle USA 19 Jul 18 2.20pm
Originally posted by Painter Palace haven�t got money problems, don�t know where you got that from. You make it sound as if, we are millions of pounds in debt and the taxman wants to close us down. Prudent managing of spending and wages are required that�s all. As Parish has said on many occasions, if we don�t expand the ground to generate more income, we aren�t going to able to compete on an equal basis. It�s not that difficult to understand. LOL. Where he got that from is RH, SP and the media engine behind the club. Please cast your mind back to the schoolboy pursuit of Mamadou Sakho. Parish said 50 times in all forms of media that we cannot possibly afford Sakho. "Way too much money, not gonna happen" etc etc. Lo and behold come the end of the window, we sign Sakho in a multi million pound deal. Has it occurred to anyone here that Parish is putting a plan so intelligent and devious into place that Trump himself would be proud of it? He tried it on Liverpool with Sakho and maybe it saved him a mil or 2. So now Suave Steve thinks that if you get everyone to sing from the "we are broke" hymn sheet, even the dependable and upright RH who never lies, then all the clubs who own players we want to sign might sit up and take notice. I think Baldrick would call this a cunning plan. Simple fact is we may sign 40-50m quids worth of players at the end of this window, or none at all. You just dont know with this football club because our management of transfers is so erratic and all over the place. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

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Originally posted by Painter

Palace haven�t got money problems, don�t know where you got that from. You make it sound as if, we are millions of pounds in debt and the taxman wants to close us down.
Prudent managing of spending and wages are required that�s all. As Parish has said on many occasions, if we don�t expand the ground to generate more income, we aren�t going to able to compete on an equal basis.
It�s not that difficult to understand.

LOL. Where he got that from is RH, SP and the media engine behind the club.

Please cast your mind back to the schoolboy pursuit of Mamadou Sakho. Parish said 50 times in all forms of media that we cannot possibly afford Sakho. "Way too much money, not gonna happen" etc etc.

Lo and behold come the end of the window, we sign Sakho in a multi million pound deal.

Has it occurred to anyone here that Parish is putting a plan so intelligent and devious into place that Trump himself would be proud of it? He tried it on Liverpool with Sakho and maybe it saved him a mil or 2. So now Suave Steve thinks that if you get everyone to sing from the "we are broke" hymn sheet, even the dependable and upright RH who never lies, then all the clubs who own players we want to sign might sit up and take notice.

I think Baldrick would call this a cunning plan.

Simple fact is we may sign 40-50m quids worth of players at the end of this window, or none at all. You just dont know with this football club because our management of transfers is so erratic and all over the place.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Bangell Oxford 19 Jul 18 2.53pm
I'm increasingly thinking that we've just got nothing to spend rather than this simply being the usual Palace delaying until the end of the window. I reckon we'll struggle through to January and then stretch the finances for a couple more panic buys where we pay excessive prices and stupid wages.
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Oxford 19 Jul 18 2.53pm

I'm increasingly thinking that we've just got nothing to spend rather than this simply being the usual Palace delaying until the end of the window. I reckon we'll struggle through to January and then stretch the finances for a couple more panic buys where we pay excessive prices and stupid wages.

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