Pereyra and Doucoure looked very good. You managed the game out at the end, even if it was awful to watch, it was professional. I think a draw was more reflective of the game as a whole, but we were never really very good except in brief flashes. I still think the weather player a role in the poor quality of the football on show from both sides.

One big talking point is obviously Capoue's horrendous challenge. That was straight out of the 1970s. It does make it worse that he then was largely responsible for one of your goals. One day a club will actually try and defend against Zaha rather than just trying to hurt him. He will unlikely ever have a cool head, so I suppose he will continue to be targeted.

Overall a game to forget (obviously more so for us!!)

We were out muscled today at times and quite a few players were not playing at their best, especially in the second half.

Tomkins loss was hard to take and I just pray it is nothing too serious as our squad looks very thin in that position.

Main positive was Meyer's impact when he came on, and how Wilf improved once placed back on the left.They linked up well on a few occasions.

Main issue - Benteke shows no strength at all, can't hold the ball up, still looks completely shot of confidence and now he can't even win headers.

He needs to be dropped from the squad completely and put in the reserves and told that when he starts to score again on a regular basis he will be back in the team. Enough is enough...

I would start Ayew against Swansea(if allowed) and if not give Sorloth a game to see how he plays for a full 90 minutes.

Must start Meyer in next league game as he could be the link we need from the defensive midfielders to the attack. Guaita, Ayew, Kouyate must all be close to starting too. Still looks promising as long as Roy does give them a chance and dosen't keep sticking to the same 11.

I am sure we will sort things out and will have no problems this year, but wouldn't it be nice if we could get on a run early this season and start looking up rather than down all the time.

Some people are like Slinkies … not really good for anything, but you can’t help smiling when you see one tumble down the stairs.

I know people will criticise me for being partisan, but I'm just back from the pub.

I thought that challenge on Wilf in the sixth minute was awful.

Nowhere near the ball. Premeditated and vicious.

Am I barking at the moon?

Is it just me?

right lets get the first thing out the way it was a red card foul.

Now the rest of the game Teke must be used as a sub, we have good skillful players that can take defenses apart we dont need high balls,

so Ayew is a good match for this,Meyer looked fine wont give him more than that at the moment,

Sorry Roy but you are crap at subs and changing the game,I still love him but he needs to be able to game change, we have the players.

anybody who thinks a miss kick should be saved doesnt live in the real world,WH had a good game in poor conditions,

for me Ayew next match drop Teke,Meyer for Mcarther tough call on that one,

we need to play to our best players strengths

Quite possibly, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't question it. He clearly knows a lot more than anyone on this board ever will about football, even so, if you can't find an explanation for something, question it.

I do wonder since Steve Reid has left the club if that extra opinion and influence is missing on the bench. I know Hodgson rated Steven Reid highly and so did the players.

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