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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Sep 18 3.18pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I am always inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to people that know what they are doing and that are tasked with managing an organisation. They must know they have a limited budget. Could it be that they are just higher quality? From a watcher's or listener's perspective that is indeed the case. The BBC is the training ground for most of the top TV stations, so they must be doing something right. The BBC as an educational source and provider of entertainment for a relatively small fee is great in principle but it is infested by liberal/Lefties and seems to have given up any pretense of balance. BBC2 now seems to be for minorities, but In fairness, it is not the biggest culprit. Channel 4, for the most part, is even more minority obsessed and ITV news is a disgrace. It is just a Left wing propaganda machine. SKY is sickeningly self serving with its liberal tokenisms. Television media as a whole does not represent a balanced view.
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Originally posted by Mapletree

I am always inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to people that know what they are doing and that are tasked with managing an organisation. They must know they have a limited budget. Could it be that they are just higher quality? From a watcher's or listener's perspective that is indeed the case.

The BBC is the training ground for most of the top TV stations, so they must be doing something right.

The BBC as an educational source and provider of entertainment for a relatively small fee is great in principle but it is infested by liberal/Lefties and seems to have given up any pretense of balance. BBC2 now seems to be for minorities, but In fairness, it is not the biggest culprit. Channel 4, for the most part, is even more minority obsessed and ITV news is a disgrace. It is just a Left wing propaganda machine.
SKY is sickeningly self serving with its liberal tokenisms.
Television media as a whole does not represent a balanced view.

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Stuk Top half 19 Sep 18 3.35pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, now I see the problem How dare they spend so much on educating our youngest people. No one mentioned children's programming, but whether it's educational or entertaining is another matter. Like I said, �400m on content that the majority of their audience cannot consume. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 19 Sep 18 3.35pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, now I see the problem

How dare they spend so much on educating our youngest people.

No one mentioned children's programming, but whether it's educational or entertaining is another matter.

Like I said, �400m on content that the majority of their audience cannot consume.

Optimistic as ever

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Sep 18 3.36pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, now I see the problem How dare they spend so much on educating our youngest people. But they don't which is another issue. I can remember a time when the BBC offered foreign language programming, adult education (Bob Hoskins) and the Open University to name but a few. Today with the option of multiple channels where is the Education channel? The BBC should be offering the nation a 24 x7 one linked to the Open University for some parts of the day. It could also be used for Adult Education which has shamefully been cut and to teach English as a second language. I would rather abolish the license fee but if my tax dollars are going to be spent I would rather the BBC repositions itself as an educator than reality TV station. One more point
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Beckenham 19 Sep 18 3.36pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, now I see the problem

How dare they spend so much on educating our youngest people.

But they don't which is another issue.

I can remember a time when the BBC offered foreign language programming, adult education (Bob Hoskins) and the Open University to name but a few.

Today with the option of multiple channels where is the Education channel? The BBC should be offering the nation a 24 x7 one linked to the Open University for some parts of the day. It could also be used for Adult Education which has shamefully been cut and to teach English as a second language.

I would rather abolish the license fee but if my tax dollars are going to be spent I would rather the BBC repositions itself as an educator than reality TV station.

One more point

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PalazioVecchio south pole 19 Sep 18 4.01pm
the Social Justice warrior, looney leftie namby-pamby agenda of the BBC has become tiresome. the only time i have watched the BBC in recent years was the morning of the Brexit vote earthquake. All the smug smarmy Politically Correct luvvie-darlings having a cry and a meltdown was pure comedy gold. They looked geniunely shocked that there was a real world out there beyond the gates of their vegetarian-organic-freerange-fairtrade-gender neutral-halal/kosher-quorn-multicultural-multidisability-multiSexualOrientation-recycling-multiseed canteen. its like Nigel Farage walked into their canteen and said 'sausage, egg & chips with me Pint of Ale, ta Darling..ps nice t1ts'' there should be a campaign to allow a 'opt out' on your license fee going anywhere near the bbc. Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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the Social Justice warrior, looney leftie namby-pamby agenda of the BBC has become tiresome.

the only time i have watched the BBC in recent years was the morning of the Brexit vote earthquake.

All the smug smarmy Politically Correct luvvie-darlings having a cry and a meltdown was pure comedy gold.

They looked geniunely shocked that there was a real world out there beyond the gates of their vegetarian-organic-freerange-fairtrade-gender neutral-halal/kosher-quorn-multicultural-multidisability-multiSexualOrientation-recycling-multiseed canteen.

its like Nigel Farage walked into their canteen and said 'sausage, egg & chips with me Pint of Ale, ta Darling..ps nice t1ts''

there should be a campaign to allow a 'opt out' on your license fee going anywhere near the bbc.

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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Mapletree Croydon 19 Sep 18 4.04pm
Originally posted by Stuk No one mentioned children's programming, but whether it's educational or entertaining is another matter. Like I said, �400m on content that the majority of their audience cannot consume. I see you didn't read your own link very closely Stu. The biggest cost per viewer was CBBC. That was my point.
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Croydon 19 Sep 18 4.04pm

Originally posted by Stuk

No one mentioned children's programming, but whether it's educational or entertaining is another matter.

Like I said, �400m on content that the majority of their audience cannot consume.

I see you didn't read your own link very closely Stu.

The biggest cost per viewer was CBBC. That was my point.

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Mapletree Croydon 19 Sep 18 4.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Saying that the BBC attempts to be unbiased is beyond ridicule. There have been people in the BBC who have actually tried to implement that......and their vision didn't win out. Let's look at Newsnight for example.....how is the 40 percent of conservatives represented by that programme?.....Indeed, outside of 'This Week' (which still have significant left wing and centralist representation) how is that 40 percent represented by the BBC? Sorry...but when it comes to the choice of stories and the slant of coverage....The BBC thinks it's the 'Guardian'.....pretty much all the way down. The BBC lost its mantle as an unbiased actor a long long time ago. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2018 3.18pm) Good job you aren't trying to ridicule it then. As I said earlier, this post is a classic example of people politicising rather than being factually based.
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Croydon 19 Sep 18 4.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Saying that the BBC attempts to be unbiased is beyond ridicule.

There have been people in the BBC who have actually tried to implement that......and their vision didn't win out.

Let's look at Newsnight for example.....how is the 40 percent of conservatives represented by that programme?.....Indeed, outside of 'This Week' (which still have significant left wing and centralist representation) how is that 40 percent represented by the BBC?

Sorry...but when it comes to the choice of stories and the slant of coverage....The BBC thinks it's the 'Guardian'.....pretty much all the way down.

The BBC lost its mantle as an unbiased actor a long long time ago.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2018 3.18pm)

Good job you aren't trying to ridicule it then.

As I said earlier, this post is a classic example of people politicising rather than being factually based.

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Mapletree Croydon 19 Sep 18 4.10pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle The BBC is bloated and inefficient like all organisations that's fed tax payer money. The licence fee could easily be reduced by cutting back waste. Private companies could also take over some of the radio stations, for example. Edited by Penge Eagle (19 Sep 2018 3.14pm) Right, it should be in private hands as they are always more efficient Just like the health care system. [Link]
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Croydon 19 Sep 18 4.10pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The BBC is bloated and inefficient like all organisations that's fed tax payer money. The licence fee could easily be reduced by cutting back waste. Private companies could also take over some of the radio stations, for example.

Edited by Penge Eagle (19 Sep 2018 3.14pm)

Right, it should be in private hands as they are always more efficient

Just like the health care system.

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Sep 18 4.17pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Right, it should be in private hands as they are always more efficient Just like the health care system. [Link] I don't know whether they would be more efficient but why do we need taxpayers money for commercial radio like Radio 1 and 2? I would rather the money is spent on local radio / minority interests / education. One more point
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Beckenham 19 Sep 18 4.17pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Right, it should be in private hands as they are always more efficient

Just like the health care system.

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I don't know whether they would be more efficient but why do we need taxpayers money for commercial radio like Radio 1 and 2? I would rather the money is spent on local radio / minority interests / education.

One more point

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Stuk Top half 19 Sep 18 4.37pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I see you didn't read your own link very closely Stu. The biggest cost per viewer was CBBC. That was my point. I did. The non English language radio costs are higher. For radio, i.e. simply talking rather than producing audio and visual TV content. And as a percentage of their overall TV budget less than 6% on childrens TV is hardly an overspend, seeing as all children can watch it. Whereas the more than 3% of the overall TV budget spent on S4C for the 300,000 fluent Welsh speakers is not value for money. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 19 Sep 18 4.37pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I see you didn't read your own link very closely Stu.

The biggest cost per viewer was CBBC. That was my point.

I did. The non English language radio costs are higher. For radio, i.e. simply talking rather than producing audio and visual TV content.

And as a percentage of their overall TV budget less than 6% on childrens TV is hardly an overspend, seeing as all children can watch it. Whereas the more than 3% of the overall TV budget spent on S4C for the 300,000 fluent Welsh speakers is not value for money.

Optimistic as ever

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Stirlingsays 19 Sep 18 4.56pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Good job you aren't trying to ridicule it then. As I said earlier, this post is a classic example of people politicising rather than being factually based. Well, I was ridiculing your characterization to be accurate.....that's a little harsh perhaps....In the past I too would have perhaps defended the BBC...in fact I think I did on this very site. Still, times have changed. As for 'politicising', I could provide many examples of how the BBC isn't anything like objective in terms of a left/right balance.....there are whole websites devoted to it. Attempting to dismiss the criticisms of it as 'politicizing' does nothing to address the criticisms of this organisation. I have no objections to a TV channel that views itself as the 'Guardian' in terms of its political and social engineering coverage......However, that loses all legitimacy when it's on the public purse. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2018 5.02pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Sep 18 4.56pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Good job you aren't trying to ridicule it then.

As I said earlier, this post is a classic example of people politicising rather than being factually based.

Well, I was ridiculing your characterization to be accurate.....that's a little harsh perhaps....In the past I too would have perhaps defended the BBC...in fact I think I did on this very site. Still, times have changed.

As for 'politicising', I could provide many examples of how the BBC isn't anything like objective in terms of a left/right balance.....there are whole websites devoted to it.

Attempting to dismiss the criticisms of it as 'politicizing' does nothing to address the criticisms of this organisation.

I have no objections to a TV channel that views itself as the 'Guardian' in terms of its political and social engineering coverage......However, that loses all legitimacy when it's on the public purse.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2018 5.02pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 19 Sep 18 5.19pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Right, it should be in private hands as they are always more efficient Just like the health care system. [Link] Erm... I said SOME of it. Read my post. What's the NHS got to do with it? One example, the BBC Asian Network could still work just as well (maybe even better) as a private company which would be a saving on the licence fee. Edited by Penge Eagle (19 Sep 2018 5.21pm)
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Penge Eagle

Beckenham 19 Sep 18 5.19pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Right, it should be in private hands as they are always more efficient

Just like the health care system.

[Link]

Erm... I said SOME of it. Read my post. What's the NHS got to do with it?

One example, the BBC Asian Network could still work just as well (maybe even better) as a private company which would be a saving on the licence fee.

Edited by Penge Eagle (19 Sep 2018 5.21pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 19 Sep 18 5.26pm
Originally posted by Stuk I did. The non English language radio costs are higher. For radio, i.e. simply talking rather than producing audio and visual TV content. And as a percentage of their overall TV budget less than 6% on childrens TV is hardly an overspend, seeing as all children can watch it. Whereas the more than 3% of the overall TV budget spent on S4C for the 300,000 fluent Welsh speakers is not value for money. I hear S4c is very popular in Patagonia. You could maybe view it as an investment for the future. Apparently 1/2m people speak Welsh in Wales, leaving aside Canada and Patagonia Many Welsh schools now teach primarily in Welsh. This could be the beginning of a takeover. Our culture being usurped by an alternative culture that is sneaking in under the radar...
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Croydon 19 Sep 18 5.26pm

Originally posted by Stuk

I did. The non English language radio costs are higher. For radio, i.e. simply talking rather than producing audio and visual TV content.

I hear S4c is very popular in Patagonia.

You could maybe view it as an investment for the future. Apparently 1/2m people speak Welsh in Wales, leaving aside Canada and Patagonia

Many Welsh schools now teach primarily in Welsh. This could be the beginning of a takeover. Our culture being usurped by an alternative culture that is sneaking in under the radar...

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