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steve1984 09 Jan 19 5.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays ....where it goes in terms of a universal basic income...who knows....but the employment map of the future is hard to predict. So everyone will be on welfare? They'll need to open a Wetherspoons on almost every street corner.
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steve1984 09 Jan 19 5.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

....where it goes in terms of a universal basic income...who knows....but the employment map of the future is hard to predict.

So everyone will be on welfare? They'll need to open a Wetherspoons on almost every street corner.

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Stirlingsays 09 Jan 19 5.44pm
Originally posted by steve1984 So everyone will be on welfare? They'll need to open a Wetherspoons on almost every street corner. Somehow I don't think your local imam will be happy about that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jan 19 5.44pm

Originally posted by steve1984

So everyone will be on welfare? They'll need to open a Wetherspoons on almost every street corner.

Somehow I don't think your local imam will be happy about that.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steve1984 09 Jan 19 5.54pm
They do a cuppa at the spoons don't they?
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steve1984 09 Jan 19 5.54pm

They do a cuppa at the spoons don't they?

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Mapletree Croydon 09 Jan 19 5.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Current EU immigrants still cost less than current non EU immigrants. I know, albeit the correct description is probably add more. And your point is? I thought you were anti EU migrants and indeed anti the EU.
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Croydon 09 Jan 19 5.59pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Current EU immigrants still cost less than current non EU immigrants.

I know, albeit the correct description is probably add more.

And your point is?

I thought you were anti EU migrants and indeed anti the EU.

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Stirlingsays 09 Jan 19 5.59pm
Originally posted by steve1984 They do a cuppa at the spoons don't they? I don't think it quite works like that my man. Still....after doing that beers and ales thing over Christmas I've only just got sober. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jan 19 5.59pm

Originally posted by steve1984

They do a cuppa at the spoons don't they?

I don't think it quite works like that my man.

Still....after doing that beers and ales thing over Christmas I've only just got sober.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 09 Jan 19 6.03pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I know, albeit the correct description is probably add more. And your point is? I thought you were anti EU migrants and indeed anti the EU. I made my point....immigration policy is a ponzi scheme....a curse for current and future generations in several different forms. I am anti EU migrant....well to be more accurate....I'm anti freedom of movement......the economic argument was never the reason for me rejecting the EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2019 6.06pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jan 19 6.03pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I know, albeit the correct description is probably add more.

And your point is?

I thought you were anti EU migrants and indeed anti the EU.

I made my point....immigration policy is a ponzi scheme....a curse for current and future generations in several different forms.

I am anti EU migrant....well to be more accurate....I'm anti freedom of movement......the economic argument was never the reason for me rejecting the EU.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2019 6.06pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Jan 19 6.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Somehow I don't think your local imam will be happy about that. that is a shocking thing to say. Its almost as if the rate of 'longterm unemployment' for muslims is statistically extremely high ? how soon before it becomes forbidden to tell the truth ? [Link] Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Jan 2019 6.42pm) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Somehow I don't think your local imam will be happy about that.

that is a shocking thing to say. Its almost as if the rate of 'longterm unemployment' for muslims is statistically extremely high ? how soon before it becomes forbidden to tell the truth ?

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Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Jan 2019 6.42pm)

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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becky over the moon 09 Jan 19 6.55pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Are you saying that people are claiming asylum and then bringing in multiple wives, each of whom needs a separate home which is paid for by the State? Wow, I never knew. I thought the asylum requirements were that you can bring in people that lived with the successful asylum claimant in the home country so I don't really see how that can be. But I guess you know your facts Becky. I blame the Mormons Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 4.30pm) Yup, whilst polygamy is illegal in this country, if the marriages have taken place in countries where it is legal, then they may bring the additional wives here. The limitation is that they can only claim the married couple's allowances for the first wife,but any others are treated as single parents and, as such, are entitled to housing benefit, child benefit et al. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 09 Jan 19 6.55pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Are you saying that people are claiming asylum and then bringing in multiple wives, each of whom needs a separate home which is paid for by the State? Wow, I never knew. I thought the asylum requirements were that you can bring in people that lived with the successful asylum claimant in the home country so I don't really see how that can be. But I guess you know your facts Becky.

I blame the Mormons

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 4.30pm)

Yup, whilst polygamy is illegal in this country, if the marriages have taken place in countries where it is legal, then they may bring the additional wives here. The limitation is that they can only claim the married couple's allowances for the first wife,but any others are treated as single parents and, as such, are entitled to housing benefit, child benefit et al.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Stirlingsays 09 Jan 19 7.05pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio that is a shocking thing to say. Its almost as if the rate of 'longterm unemployment' for muslims is statistically extremely high ? how soon before it becomes forbidden to tell the truth ? [Link] Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Jan 2019 6.42pm) Around 2050 I'd say. Though obviously even now anyone saying anything controversial in public life is hounded by activists and then sacked by the establishment institutions big and small via fear of reputational damage.....The professionally offended rule. What is truth isn't important......What is allowed to be said is all that matters. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2019 7.10pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jan 19 7.05pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

that is a shocking thing to say. Its almost as if the rate of 'longterm unemployment' for muslims is statistically extremely high ? how soon before it becomes forbidden to tell the truth ?

[Link]

Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Jan 2019 6.42pm)

Around 2050 I'd say.

Though obviously even now anyone saying anything controversial in public life is hounded by activists and then sacked by the establishment institutions big and small via fear of reputational damage.....The professionally offended rule.

What is truth isn't important......What is allowed to be said is all that matters.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2019 7.10pm)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Jan 19 7.10pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio that is a shocking thing to say. Its almost as if the rate of 'longterm unemployment' for muslims is statistically extremely high ? how soon before it becomes forbidden to tell the truth ? [Link] Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Jan 2019 6.42pm) I wonder how many of the Muslim unemployed are female? I would suggest that it is far more likely for a married Christian woman to work, than a married Islamic woman. Not across the board by any means but seems reasonable considering the religious and cultural viewpoints of many of both religions. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Jan 19 7.10pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

that is a shocking thing to say. Its almost as if the rate of 'longterm unemployment' for muslims is statistically extremely high ? how soon before it becomes forbidden to tell the truth ?

[Link]

Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Jan 2019 6.42pm)

I wonder how many of the Muslim unemployed are female? I would suggest that it is far more likely for a married Christian woman to work, than a married Islamic woman. Not across the board by any means but seems reasonable considering the religious and cultural viewpoints of many of both religions.

Red and Blue Army!

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Jan 19 7.28pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Regarding 3, immigrants historically are far less demanding on the NHS and on housing than indigenous people but pay more on average in taxes. So it is they that are funding the established population. We need to adjust the system to the demand they bring, they easily pay for themselves. And they are also highly over-represented in NHS employees. Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 3.50pm) We've gone through this already and established the studies from 'Full Fact' website. EU migrants contribute marginally more into the system, whereas non EU take out more. And anyway, aren't we talking about illegal immigration on dighys. Which is illegal, no matter what you can prove or disprove about the NHS.
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Beckenham 09 Jan 19 7.28pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Regarding 3, immigrants historically are far less demanding on the NHS and on housing than indigenous people but pay more on average in taxes. So it is they that are funding the established population. We need to adjust the system to the demand they bring, they easily pay for themselves. And they are also highly over-represented in NHS employees.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 3.50pm)

We've gone through this already and established the studies from 'Full Fact' website.

EU migrants contribute marginally more into the system, whereas non EU take out more.

And anyway, aren't we talking about illegal immigration on dighys. Which is illegal, no matter what you can prove or disprove about the NHS.

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Mapletree Croydon 09 Jan 19 7.30pm
Originally posted by becky Yup, whilst polygamy is illegal in this country, if the marriages have taken place in countries where it is legal, then they may bring the additional wives here. The limitation is that they can only claim the married couple's allowances for the first wife,but any others are treated as single parents and, as such, are entitled to housing benefit, child benefit et al. For me to gauge the scale of the problem, do you have statistics on the numbers? I have never come across such an example. Do you have a source? This is from the House of Commons Library Immigration issues It has been the policy of successive governments to prevent the formation of polygamous households in the UK. A UK resident cannot sponsor a non-EEA national for permission to enter or remain in the UK as their spouse if another person has already been granted such permission, and the marriage has not been dissolved. Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 7.32pm)
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Croydon 09 Jan 19 7.30pm

Originally posted by becky

For me to gauge the scale of the problem, do you have statistics on the numbers?

I have never come across such an example. Do you have a source?

This is from the House of Commons Library

Immigration issues
It has been the policy of successive governments to prevent the formation of polygamous
households in the UK. A UK resident cannot sponsor a non-EEA national for permission to
enter or remain in the UK as their spouse if another person has already been granted such
permission, and the marriage has not been dissolved.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 7.32pm)

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