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 Spiderman  Horsham 14 Jan 19 1.18pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
No I mean personal self interest People telling you brexit is good because they want to be pm, or they have hedge funds, or they are millionaires who own football clubs or the Ritz etc Sounds exactly the same as those telling us remaining would be good. For example Tony (how much money in it for me) Bliar.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Jan 19 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I imagine a domino effect, no deal scenario creates uncertainty which hurts business, so those advocating a no deal clearly don't care about business and job losses Let us know when you want to come back when this country is even more an attractive place to come than it is now. You might find europalace in luxury class but he hates Britain so you’re more likely to find him hiring out scooters or sun loungers somewhere claiming the EU setup allowed him to prosper.
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| Spiderman Horsham 14 Jan 19 1.20pm |
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Thought the public voted to leave? I may be wrong
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| Matov 14 Jan 19 1.22pm |
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
Beautifully expressed. Nail on the head. And if this does come to pass, and let us not be under any illusion about this, it will be a deliberate act of the very Parliament who gave us the vote in the first place. As the law stands we leave the EU, in line with the result from June 23rd, on March 29th. No ifs or buts or requirements for a deal of any kind. Parliament will have to make a deliberate decision to prevent that happening and all my ire, if that happens, will be directed at any and every MP who makes that a reality.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Jan 19 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Thought the public voted to leave? I may be wrong Depends which fantasy you live in.
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| Spiderman Horsham 14 Jan 19 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Beautifully expressed. Nail on the head. And if this does come to pass, and let us not be under any illusion about this, it will be a deliberate act of the very Parliament who gave us the vote in the first place. As the law stands we leave the EU, in line with the result from June 23rd, on March 29th. No ifs or buts or requirements for a deal of any kind. Parliament will have to make a deliberate decision to prevent that happening and all my ire, if that happens, will be directed at any and every MP who makes that a reality. Good post. Unfortunately I can see unrest on the streets whatever happens and Parliament will be responsible. If they had, from the result, adhered to the public vote and told the EU we are leaving if you want to trade with us, these are our terms, it may have been avoided. Of course according to many MP's the British public who voted to leave are thick
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| Badger11 Beckenham 14 Jan 19 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I’d prefer a FPTP system and I think with more younger voters engaged in politics, we’ll on these one off big issues at least, it stands a better chance of it being voted for than last time. The limiting 2 party system is so frustrating and limiting when you have profligacy followed by conservatism, although I expect there’d be more coalition governments and that is still new and difficult for people in Britain. Coalition governments will only work in this country if the parties agree this before the GE. So far they have been after the event and voters have found they have been let down e.g. Lib Dems and student fees and Tories and the Ulster Unionists. Edited by Badger11 (14 Jan 2019 1.32pm)
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Jan 19 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Thought the public voted to leave? I may be wrong I really struggle to get why Parliament doesn't get this - the referendum question was binary, I don't recall many objections at the time. If Parliament engineers a mechanism to stop the process, well that goes beyond holding the exec to account.
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| Matov 14 Jan 19 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Good post. Unfortunately I can see unrest on the streets whatever happens and Parliament will be responsible. If they had, from the result, adhered to the public vote and told the EU we are leaving if you want to trade with us, these are our terms, it may have been avoided. Of course according to many MP's the British public who voted to leave are thick Well quite. It was a simple instruction. Leave the EU. Ideally with a deal but the default position, from day 1, that we would walk without. No other logical position to take. But May must have known this backstop would be a red rag to a bull. Beyond belief that she could have ever once kidded herself that it would be passed. And yet she still brings it to the House. That is what bugs me. No logic to it what so ever unless she want to provoke this mayhem.
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| Spiderman Horsham 14 Jan 19 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
I really struggle to get why Parliament doesn't get this - the referendum question was binary, I don't recall many objections at the time. If Parliament engineers a mechanism to stop the process, well that goes beyond holding the exec to account. Agreed I believe that Cameron was so arrogant that remain would win that he decided the wording would be irrelevant or The wording was intentional, in case leave won, so the remain camp had reasons to try and stop it
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Pussay Patrol  14 Jan 19 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Sounds exactly the same as those telling us remaining would be good. For example Tony (how much money in it for me) Bliar. Yeah but do you see people on here posting quotes from Tony Blair saying how we should listen to his wise words? I'll help you out....NO Even if that were the case it's surely not as bad using Neil Warnock to further your argument.
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Jan 19 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Agreed I believe that Cameron was so arrogant that remain would win that he decided the wording would be irrelevant or The wording was intentional, in case leave won, so the remain camp had reasons to try and stop it Respecting the result was in both Labour and Tory 2017 manifestos though.
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