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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 22 Jan 19 9.51am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So no point in a referendum as there is only one option Extend article 50 until they reach a deal that will get through parliament, however long it takes Probably. Spineless sh1tes they are. I always thought it would be a soft (as sh1t) Brexit to suit our pathetic MP’s and citizens but recently thought for a short time we might get a no deal Brexit. We’re a pathetic nation now but we get what we deserve. Gradual downturn in most aspects of life without a hope of a reversal.
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| chris123 hove actually 22 Jan 19 10.08am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So no point in a referendum as there is only one option Extend article 50 until they reach a deal that will get through parliament, however long it takes We've had a referendum and the margin was 1 and a quarter million.
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| Midlands Eagle 22 Jan 19 10.09am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Who cares what Labour wants as it's irrelevant for a referendum unless you are suggesting that all Labour voters are sheep that will do whatever Corbyn tells them to
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Pussay Patrol  22 Jan 19 10.13am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Who cares what Labour wants as it's irrelevant for a referendum unless you are suggesting that all Labour voters are sheep that will do whatever Corbyn tells them to Democracy my friend which you are usually quickly to point out
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 Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jan 19 10.36am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Democracy my friend which you are usually quickly to point out They are in opposition. That is democracy.
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| Spiderman Horsham 22 Jan 19 11.11am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Democracy my friend which you are usually quickly to point out Funny how this is a relevant word when it suits you
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| Rubin 22 Jan 19 11.21am |
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The mental gymnastics is unbelievable. Just admit it, both Labour and the conservatives have almost successfully wormed their way out of having a true Brexit whilst betraying the majority who voted for it. Call it what it is. Stop justifying to yourself that it's been done democratically or fairly. 17 million plus people have been conned, and I hope enough of them realise it. If no deal is taken off of the table, then Brexit is dead as far as I'm concerned. Edited by Rubin (22 Jan 2019 11.27am)
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 22 Jan 19 11.37am |
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Looking at those job losses last week, they are in 'leave' places. The replacement for EU funds to relieve them and re-generate has already been kicked into the future and will just never happen.
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| Pussay Patrol 22 Jan 19 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by Rubin
The mental gymnastics is unbelievable. Just admit it, both Labour and the conservatives have almost successfully wormed their way out of having a true Brexit whilst betraying the majority who voted for it. Call it what it is. Stop justifying to yourself that it's been done democratically or fairly. 17 million plus people have been conned, and I hope enough of them realise it. If no deal is taken off of the table, then Brexit is dead as far as I'm concerned. Edited by Rubin (22 Jan 2019 11.27am) 17m people did not vote for a no deal Brexit Only a lunatic would want that
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Jan 19 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by Rubin
The mental gymnastics is unbelievable. Just admit it, both Labour and the conservatives have almost successfully wormed their way out of having a true Brexit whilst betraying the majority who voted for it. Call it what it is. Stop justifying to yourself that it's been done democratically or fairly. 17 million plus people have been conned, and I hope enough of them realise it. If no deal is taken off of the table, then Brexit is dead as far as I'm concerned. Edited by Rubin (22 Jan 2019 11.27am) It's the Brexiteers who were conned! Conned by false promises, the greed of those who can profit, the desire of Putin to break up the EU and reclaim the eastern European states and media barons with personal agendas. Even small contracts allow for a "cooling off" period these days so that you can reflect on your decision and cancel it if new information is found, or changed circumstances occur. A Brexit is a pretty big contract with implications for decades ahead which will affect many future generations. So to reconfirm, or deny, the original decision seems perfectly logical in these circumstances. Much has changed since 2016. People are more aware and the world has moved on. People are allowed to change their mind. Decisions made under duress can be null and voided and there is a strong argument to be made that the 2016 referendum contained elements of duress. I want our elected representatives to make the final decision but if they want to consult the people first to find out if there is a substantial majority, one way or the other, then fine. Anything less than a 2/3rds majority either way ought to require Parliament to come to a view, no matter how long that takes.
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| silvertop Portishead 22 Jan 19 12.33pm |
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What is the problem some Brexiteers have in having a time period to leave? Why the rush? Why the desperate need for a hard exit? What's wrong with including a free trade deal with the EU rather than leaving without one and then having to start discussions for a new trade deal anew but with reduced bargaining power? I don't get it? Educate me. The referendum gave a majority decision in favour of leaving. That is that mandate. However, the question was so simple; but the consequence is a hugely complex process with so many moving parts. There is no mandate in how that exit is to occur. Thus, the Tories promised a "smooth and orderly" exit. That is their mandate. And I think they are trying to achieve that within a bewilderingly difficult and fractious factual matrix where husband and wife don't agree on the best solution, let alone those MPs who represent the people. The best solution would be to extend Art 50 and somehow find a deal that Parliament can present to the EU for them to consider and hopefully compromise. And that is the key word. My working life is all about negotiating deals. Both parties generally end up moderately unhappy; but business goes on. There, and I am a staunch remainer who is not advocating a new vote.
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| dannyboy1978 22 Jan 19 12.37pm |
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Was there a second referendum is sorts with a general election. Pro EU lib dems failed miserably
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