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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 1.51pm
A big noise is being kicked up because some Tory objected to a law on FGM being passed through in parliament without significant debate. I can't say I have any tolerance for any stated approved mutilation of children....but I suppose he has a point about laws in general. What narks me is......where is the law on male genital mutilation? How is it....in the world of so called equality....that, quite rightly, we have laws banning female genital mutilation but no laws banning male genital mutilation? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Feb 19 1.51pm

A big noise is being kicked up because some Tory objected to a law on FGM being passed through in parliament without significant debate.

I can't say I have any tolerance for any stated approved mutilation of children....but I suppose he has a point about laws in general.

What narks me is......where is the law on male genital mutilation?

How is it....in the world of so called equality....that, quite rightly, we have laws banning female genital mutilation but no laws banning male genital mutilation?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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becky over the moon 10 Feb 19 3.02pm
Since male circumcision is a religious practice for both Jews and Muslims, fat chance of getting it banned. I agree with you though (unless for genuine medical reasons) both male and female should be banned. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 10 Feb 19 3.02pm

Since male circumcision is a religious practice for both Jews and Muslims, fat chance of getting it banned.

I agree with you though (unless for genuine medical reasons) both male and female should be banned.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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chris123 hove actually 10 Feb 19 3.08pm
Well removing clitoris and inner labia is not the same as a foreskin.
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hove actually 10 Feb 19 3.08pm

Well removing clitoris and inner labia is not the same as a foreskin.

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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 3.12pm
Originally posted by becky Since male circumcision is a religious practice for both Jews and Muslims, fat chance of getting it banned. I agree with you though (unless for genuine medical reasons) both male and female should be banned. Yeah apparently because some believe in a supernatural being it means we look the other way while they cut bits off of little boys. You are totally right....the few medical conditions that necessitate this are a completely different matter. Someone in my family required this for medical reasons as a toddler and it is what it is. But the current policy is wrong and has been indefensible since we emerged from religious dogma. Yet...it isn't even mentioned. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Feb 19 3.12pm

Originally posted by becky

Since male circumcision is a religious practice for both Jews and Muslims, fat chance of getting it banned.

I agree with you though (unless for genuine medical reasons) both male and female should be banned.

Yeah apparently because some believe in a supernatural being it means we look the other way while they cut bits off of little boys.

You are totally right....the few medical conditions that necessitate this are a completely different matter. Someone in my family required this for medical reasons as a toddler and it is what it is.

But the current policy is wrong and has been indefensible since we emerged from religious dogma.

Yet...it isn't even mentioned.

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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 3.15pm
Originally posted by chris123 Well removing clitoris and inner labia is not the same as a foreskin. While I'd agree that removing most of the clitoris is certainly more severe than a foreskin it's a bit like grading severity of car crashes.....Some are worse than others but at the end of the day we all want to avoid car crashes. Not all FGM removes the clitoris.....some practice just removing some of the labia. Yet it is still banned....and quite rightly. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Feb 19 3.15pm

Originally posted by chris123

Well removing clitoris and inner labia is not the same as a foreskin.

While I'd agree that removing most of the clitoris is certainly more severe than a foreskin it's a bit like grading severity of car crashes.....Some are worse than others but at the end of the day we all want to avoid car crashes.

Not all FGM removes the clitoris.....some practice just removing some of the labia.

Yet it is still banned....and quite rightly.

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becky over the moon 10 Feb 19 3.23pm
Religious dogma aside, I think the main reason that there is more emphasis placed on banning female circumcision is that, generally speaking, surgery on males is done by qualified professionals (even if not medically qualified certainly the Jewish mohiels are trained in the procedure) and performed with sterilized instruments in reasonably safe conditions. FGM is mostly done by an untrained woman, usually in unsanitary conditions, using anything from a shard of broken glass to a rusty razor blade. The stitching up afterwards is done using any form of thread available at the time - and certainly nothing is sterilized, which is why long term problems from infections, sterility and even death are far more common. And let's not even go to the fact of the enjoyment some men profess of tearing the whole thing open on their wedding night........ a friend who is a midwife, after a very difficult delivery resulting from the issues of FGM once actually had a husband ask if she could stich it up again so he could have the pleasure a second time. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 10 Feb 19 3.23pm

Religious dogma aside, I think the main reason that there is more emphasis placed on banning female circumcision is that, generally speaking, surgery on males is done by qualified professionals (even if not medically qualified certainly the Jewish mohiels are trained in the procedure) and performed with sterilized instruments in reasonably safe conditions.

FGM is mostly done by an untrained woman, usually in unsanitary conditions, using anything from a shard of broken glass to a rusty razor blade. The stitching up afterwards is done using any form of thread available at the time - and certainly nothing is sterilized, which is why long term problems from infections, sterility and even death are far more common.

And let's not even go to the fact of the enjoyment some men profess of tearing the whole thing open on their wedding night........ a friend who is a midwife, after a very difficult delivery resulting from the issues of FGM once actually had a husband ask if she could stich it up again so he could have the pleasure a second time.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 10 Feb 19 3.39pm
Originally posted by becky Since male circumcision is a religious practice for both Jews and Muslims, fat chance of getting it banned. I agree with you though (unless for genuine medical reasons) both male and female should be banned. I'm actually thinking of getting myself circumcised. Anything to reduce the excessive length I was born with. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (10 Feb 2019 3.41pm) "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 10 Feb 19 3.39pm

Originally posted by becky

Since male circumcision is a religious practice for both Jews and Muslims, fat chance of getting it banned.

I agree with you though (unless for genuine medical reasons) both male and female should be banned.

I'm actually thinking of getting myself circumcised.

Anything to reduce the excessive length I was born with.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (10 Feb 2019 3.41pm)

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 3.42pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle I'm actually thinking of getting myself circumcised. Anything to reduce the excessive length I was born with. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (10 Feb 2019 3.41pm) There were questions about the hobbling. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Feb 19 3.42pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

I'm actually thinking of getting myself circumcised.

Anything to reduce the excessive length I was born with.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (10 Feb 2019 3.41pm)

There were questions about the hobbling.

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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 3.48pm
Originally posted by becky Religious dogma aside, I think the main reason that there is more emphasis placed on banning female circumcision is that, generally speaking, surgery on males is done by qualified professionals (even if not medically qualified certainly the Jewish mohiels are trained in the procedure) and performed with sterilized instruments in reasonably safe conditions. FGM is mostly done by an untrained woman, usually in unsanitary conditions, using anything from a shard of broken glass to a rusty razor blade. The stitching up afterwards is done using any form of thread available at the time - and certainly nothing is sterilized, which is why long term problems from infections, sterility and even death are far more common. And let's not even go to the fact of the enjoyment some men profess of tearing the whole thing open on their wedding night........ a friend who is a midwife, after a very difficult delivery resulting from the issues of FGM once actually had a husband ask if she could stich it up again so he could have the pleasure a second time. Wow....Blimey. And you are right of course, though a small number of baby boys die every year from the inevitable botch jobs or complications.....However, I have no doubt that the horrors of FGM are even worse. The world is full of fruitcakes.....Which is fine....accept when they aren't trying to cut bits off. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 3.50pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Feb 19 3.48pm

Originally posted by becky

Wow....Blimey.

And you are right of course, though a small number of baby boys die every year from the inevitable botch jobs or complications.....However, I have no doubt that the horrors of FGM are even worse.

The world is full of fruitcakes.....Which is fine....accept when they aren't trying to cut bits off.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 3.50pm)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 10 Feb 19 4.29pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle I'm actually thinking of getting myself circumcised. Anything to reduce the excessive length I was born with. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (10 Feb 2019 3.41pm) And if the surgeon performing it makes a slip, he's certain to get the sack. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 10 Feb 19 4.29pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

I'm actually thinking of getting myself circumcised.

Anything to reduce the excessive length I was born with.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (10 Feb 2019 3.41pm)

And if the surgeon performing it makes a slip, he's certain to get the sack.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Stirlingsays 10 Feb 19 4.30pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt And if the surgeon performing it makes a slip, he's certain to get the sack. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Feb 19 4.30pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

And if the surgeon performing it makes a slip, he's certain to get the sack.

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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Feb 19 5.34pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle I'm actually thinking of getting myself circumcised. Anything to reduce the excessive length I was born with. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (10 Feb 2019 3.41pm) LOL Actually a friend had that operation in his mid 50's for medical reason, it took 2 -3 weeks for him to recover mainly because his p**** had to adjust. Brushing against his underpants was painful until it all settled down. What really upset though was when the swelling went down! One more point
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Beckenham 10 Feb 19 5.34pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

I'm actually thinking of getting myself circumcised.

Anything to reduce the excessive length I was born with.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (10 Feb 2019 3.41pm)

LOL
Actually a friend had that operation in his mid 50's for medical reason, it took 2 -3 weeks for him to recover mainly because his p**** had to adjust. Brushing against his underpants was painful until it all settled down. What really upset though was when the swelling went down!

One more point

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