To the extent that you personally get to decide who you procreate with and vote for you have a say on the matter. I doubt we disagree on immigration policy at all. I have no burning desire to fill our little island. Getting politicians to enact will of the people policies is far from a formality though as we see with Brexit.

Just to be clear though on one specific point that you may not disagree with anyway. If you're born in Britain and are totally assimilated into British culture, but aren't white European, you're still British. Not second rate British. Not nice to have you here British. Not negative side of the numbers game British. You're British. You're not personally responsible for or to be saddled with blame for the extinction or dilution of anything. You're very much born where you belong and your place here absolutely holds no less validity or value than someone who has a different set of genes.

Edited by dollardays (14 Feb 2019 11.42pm)

I agree, that's what happens without a sensible immigration policy with input from the people.

Where a primary allegiance to religion is part of the mix the picture of course becomes more complicated. At the extremes, like with this girl, it's lost cause territory. By her actions I view her to have renounced her citizenship, and she should now be tasked with continuing on with her grim new life in Syria.

No one is born in 'Britain' exactly.....that's a collective term.

They are born into one of the four countries or its off shoot regions and that's their nationality.

The people who say they are British are often saying it because they regard that as their part nationality along with their racial or other nationality rather than English, Scottish, Welsh or northern Irish.....It's British to the exclusion of those....because they regard those nationalities as genetically white.

So, for example, if someone is born and raised in England and is happy to call themselves English without claiming any other heritage and is happy to celebrate traditional English culture and its language and rituals.

Then that person, regardless of the genes 'god' gave them....That person can be my national brother or sister.

Anything else is a dilution from that.

A person must be able to transcend their genes because philosophically we are more than genes. However the reality is that this is a small number of people.

Instead what we are seeing is the reality that England is being taken away from the English. What in the past required war and subjugation now is done by replacement.

Even China had to force Tibet......We listened to the neo liberals and their lies instead.

Comfortable lies instead of inconvenient truths.....and even now....when the statistical truth is laid bare for all those willing to look....You will be demonised if you dare speak that truth.

You will be told you're pushing 'racial hatred' when you don't hate anybody.......Even those who lie about you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2019 2.24am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

What people call themselves is for them and what I think of that is for me.

Yes, any other moot thoughts?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

More mootness....

You have your opinion of me, I have my opinion of you......how interesting.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

To an extent I'd agree with that.

Ok, lets explore the concept of identity and race and what rights people have to fuse them or not fuse them.

Do you feel this way about the whites in South Africa?

Are they South Africans?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)