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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Feb 19 11.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I've long since realised that you can't argue with some of these people: It isn't about reason for them.

Now I only engage with the ones who have more brain cells than fingers.

 


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Originally posted by soulboy


A response designed to placate the 'racism police' but not one borne out by the evidence in your posts where you are anything but tolerant of communities with different skin colour to yourself. And it is those very communities that you and your ilk ridicule and denigrate with sickening consistency (hence this thread) that provides the very players that are keeping Palace in the Premier League.

What nonsense is this?

I don't think anyone is intolerant to a different skin colour bud.

It just isn't worth engaging with such a simple minded suggestion.

 

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View laddo's Profile laddo Flag london 24 Feb 19 12.01am Send a Private Message to laddo Add laddo as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Yes, luckily it's just a few online prats who hide behind anonymity

This with bells on. Pleased this thread has highlighted that hol is full of decent folk and only the small minority are right-wing d**ks obsessed with racism. Seems the vast majority of us just want to get on with our lives.

 


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Originally posted by laddo

This with bells on. Pleased this thread has highlighted that hol is full of decent folk and only the small minority are right-wing d**ks obsessed with racism. Seems the vast majority of us just want to get on with our lives.

All it has highlighted is that you are afraid to debate on subjects where you are incapable of offering a sound argument, which is also probably why you rarely post in this section and when you do, you start a lame thread like this one.

Good work.

Good work.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Feb 19 12.16am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

All that bluster and you're just another Daily Mail lemming

Edited by Pussay Patrol (23 Feb 2019 8.00pm)

News is news. Unless your papers don’t like it. I just heard about the incident, googled it and quelle surprise, no left wing media wanted to bring it to the attention of the public.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 24 Feb 19 12.47am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All it has highlighted is that you are afraid to debate on subjects where you are incapable of offering a sound argument, which is also probably why you rarely post in this section and when you do, you start a lame thread like this one.

Good work.

Good work.

This with bells on.

 


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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 24 Feb 19 12.50am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

He said he was baiting

Caught a biggun by the looks of it

No, it was just retarded. Shows his level of intellectual argument.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 19 9.18am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So you can spend hours writing endless posts but you cant be bothered to read for 5 minutes unless its a reply to one of your posts.

Ok here are a couple of points from the article to chew on.

He thinks halal meat is cruel and wont use subway or KFC as they use halal.

People on these shores illegally should pay for their health care.
I might add he doesnt appear to have said at point of use or need.
Maybe on an invoice system.

There are others but you cant be bothered to read them unless the above makes you inquisitive of course.

As articles are always written from a perspective they are never a reliable way to assess anything like this. Context is everything and unless you have access to all the information any assessment is a rush to judgement at best.

There are always rights of independent review and appeal too, to ensure no-one is treated unfairly.

That's why I don't always read opinion pieces.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 19 9.44am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Anyone suggesting that a current legal situation should be accepted which can see a man arrested for publically reading from one of Churchill's books.......Well I suggest that they are on the wrong side of the argument.

A state where the Police arrest you for posting rap lyrics or bad taste jokes is not a society that is free.

The abuses of freedom of speech in this country....the creeping censorship both by digital monopolies and government is stark......and anyone suggesting that these are realities that should be accepted is simply supporting the imposition of an illiberal state of affairs.

The argument that with free speech comes responsibilities is a low resolution argument.

Only free speech absolutists argue for no restrictions at all. However the bar on free speech has previously also operated upon the notion that outside of 'incitement to violence', 'libel' and 'obscenity' that speech should be allowed...The bar on speech should be protected from people with 'hurt' feelings...those that cry offence should not be able to dictate what is allowed in the public space......But now that compact has been broken and the bar to legal consequences has been shifted to the extent that 'perception' of offence is now included.

This is not something the Tories ever previously supported and indeed, it isn't something the old far left use to support either. But we are currently living in an era where both those camps have been subverted......and we live with the ridiculousness of Tories advocating for rules that see readers of Churchill arrested.

Now the support of traditional 'free speech' has become mostly a 'real' right issue....though I will add that small sections of the left also advocate that these new restrictions are wrong.


Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Feb 2019 1.26pm)

This is the kind of wrong thinking which seems at the heart of this problem.

Churchill was a great man. Flawed in many ways but a man of his time without whom the UK, and the world would probably be a different place today. No doubt there is much wisdom in his books.

That though is beside the point. There is wisdom in the Bible and the Quran too but if you select passages from any of them and then read them with a particular emphasis, in a place and style to an audience with known views the words could well be considered inflammatory or even hate speech.

Context is everything. It's the words that matter and not who wrote them. Muslim preachers have been arrested after quoting from the Quran. There are passages from the Old Testament that taken out of context can be used against people. Look at the Westboro Baptist Church!

So nothing can be taken at face value. The whole needs to be known. We don't know the whole circumstances, we only know the bits we are being fed to support a narrative. The responsible media do try to get behind a story and verify it's authenticity but the sensationalist media, and those with axes to grind on social media, don't.

So just because a story is circulated that supports an idea that your political group is being denied free speech doesn't make it so. All it does is point up the level of fake and unreliable information that is around and the need to look for reliable, verified sources.

 

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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


All that bluster and you're just another Daily Mail lemming

Is that worse than being a Guardian lemming then

 

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Originally posted by laddo

This with bells on. Pleased this thread has highlighted that hol is full of decent folk and only the small minority are right-wing d**ks obsessed with racism. Seems the vast majority of us just want to get on with our lives.

What actually is right wing though?
If I am worried why some areas of Britain Are not intergrating is that right wing?

[Link]
"Being a Muslim today is as much a cultural identity as an actual religious one for young individuals like myself. It’s a sign of being different within the West,"

If I'm worried why the establishment covered up for such a long time that we had muslim grooming gangs, does that make me right wing?
I'm equally annoyed by the BBC and the hiding of the peodo Saville cases for balance.

I would genuinely be interested why Laddo and Pussy band around racism and right wing claims.

Can't white people be openly annoyed with Muslim Asian grooming gangs? Sikh communities are annoyed are they right wing?
[Link]
"The West Midlands girls are said to have been targeted by “fashionably-dressed adult pakistani men” before being isolated from their families and mistreated by one or more abusers."


Edited by dannyboy1978 (24 Feb 2019 10.15am)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 24 Feb 19 10.23am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is the kind of wrong thinking which seems at the heart of this problem.

Churchill was a great man. Flawed in many ways but a man of his time without whom the UK, and the world would probably be a different place today. No doubt there is much wisdom in his books.

That though is beside the point. There is wisdom in the Bible and the Quran too but if you select passages from any of them and then read them with a particular emphasis, in a place and style to an audience with known views the words could well be considered inflammatory or even hate speech.

Context is everything. It's the words that matter and not who wrote them. Muslim preachers have been arrested after quoting from the Quran. There are passages from the Old Testament that taken out of context can be used against people. Look at the Westboro Baptist Church!

So nothing can be taken at face value. The whole needs to be known. We don't know the whole circumstances, we only know the bits we are being fed to support a narrative. The responsible media do try to get behind a story and verify it's authenticity but the sensationalist media, and those with axes to grind on social media, don't.

So just because a story is circulated that supports an idea that your political group is being denied free speech doesn't make it so. All it does is point up the level of fake and unreliable information that is around and the need to look for reliable, verified sources.


Yours is the 'wrong thinking' that lies at the heart of the problem.

You seek to justify a situation that didn't exist before where 'perception' of offence can be a legal device.

A man was arrested for reading from a Churchill book and you defend that situation while calling yourself a 'traditional Tory'. He can have a million flaws, it matters not a bit....if the land he fought for has somehow twisted itself in that state of affairs, then it isn't him who is flawed.


Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2019 10.23am)

 


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