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deleted user 01 Mar 19 8.42pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Yep, life. I see a social choice across Europe (that includes Germany) that has been present for decades but what i see growing in the UK is many many taking advantage of those less fortunate. The initial blame lies with the banks and their distribution of funds given to them, but equally those who've taken advantage are, imo, parasites. Having someone else less fortunate than you paying your mortgage when they could easily afford their own is wrong imo. I don't lose sleep over it but is this really the way forward? There is something to be said for the idea of being trapped renting, rather than it being a choice. It's absurd and unjust that rent and mortgage prices are often comparable, but at the same time there are lots of factors feeding into that. It can't really be distilled down to meaning something profound and terrible about landlords.
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01 Mar 19 8.42pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Yep, life.
I see a social choice across Europe (that includes Germany) that has been present for decades but what i see growing in the UK is many many taking advantage of those less fortunate.
The initial blame lies with the banks and their distribution of funds given to them, but equally those who've taken advantage are, imo, parasites.

Having someone else less fortunate than you paying your mortgage when they could easily afford their own is wrong imo.

I don't lose sleep over it but is this really the way forward?

There is something to be said for the idea of being trapped renting, rather than it being a choice. It's absurd and unjust that rent and mortgage prices are often comparable, but at the same time there are lots of factors feeding into that. It can't really be distilled down to meaning something profound and terrible about landlords.

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.TUX. 01 Mar 19 9.08pm
Originally posted by dollardays There is something to be said for the idea of being trapped renting, rather than it being a choice. It's absurd and unjust that rent and mortgage prices are often comparable, but at the same time there are lots of factors feeding into that. It can't really be distilled down to meaning something profound and terrible about landlords. It can be when this path is relatively new to the UK which is why 'Mapletree' was wrong to mention Germany. We live in a world where everyone is taking our money...............and now we have landlords added to the list. They don't add wealth to the system, they take it away. How long can this last? Buy Litecoin.
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01 Mar 19 9.08pm

Originally posted by dollardays

There is something to be said for the idea of being trapped renting, rather than it being a choice. It's absurd and unjust that rent and mortgage prices are often comparable, but at the same time there are lots of factors feeding into that. It can't really be distilled down to meaning something profound and terrible about landlords.

It can be when this path is relatively new to the UK which is why 'Mapletree' was wrong to mention Germany.
We live in a world where everyone is taking our money...............and now we have landlords added to the list.
They don't add wealth to the system, they take it away.
How long can this last?

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deleted user 01 Mar 19 9.18pm
Originally posted by .TUX. It can be when this path is relatively new to the UK which is why 'Mapletree' was wrong to mention Germany. We live in a world where everyone is taking our money...............and now we have landlords added to the list. They don't add wealth to the system, they take it away. How long can this last? Yes I think you're looking at a symptom rather than a cause, in that the pricing structure is what it is and if one person wasn't in that role, then someone else would be. It's the state of housing market in the country. I agree with your point about everyone taking our money though. It always irks me too, when it's said that people in some areas of the world have to get by on 50p a day and so on, because they never factor in living expenses and try to push an idea that we're all well off. Well comparatively maybe but world over people are being bled dry and pushed about as far as they can go, with both parents in most households working full time jobs and having very little left at the end of the week. All of these things ultimately come down from the top really, the governments and corporations that have their ear and also most likely balls in a vice. We're all just bit players in their Punch and Judy show.
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01 Mar 19 9.18pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Yes I think you're looking at a symptom rather than a cause, in that the pricing structure is what it is and if one person wasn't in that role, then someone else would be. It's the state of housing market in the country.

I agree with your point about everyone taking our money though. It always irks me too, when it's said that people in some areas of the world have to get by on 50p a day and so on, because they never factor in living expenses and try to push an idea that we're all well off. Well comparatively maybe but world over people are being bled dry and pushed about as far as they can go, with both parents in most households working full time jobs and having very little left at the end of the week. All of these things ultimately come down from the top really, the governments and corporations that have their ear and also most likely balls in a vice. We're all just bit players in their Punch and Judy show.

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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Mar 19 10.15pm
Originally posted by .TUX. It can be when this path is relatively new to the UK which is why 'Mapletree' was wrong to mention Germany. We live in a world where everyone is taking our money...............and now we have landlords added to the list. They don't add wealth to the system, they take it away. How long can this last? Well if banks didn't charge so much for mortgages and house prices were so high, then perhaps more people would buy. My only issue with landlords is that they are too greedy.
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Originally posted by .TUX.

Well if banks didn't charge so much for mortgages and house prices were so high, then perhaps more people would buy.
My only issue with landlords is that they are too greedy.

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Mapletree Croydon 01 Mar 19 10.50pm
Originally posted by .TUX. It can be when this path is relatively new to the UK which is why 'Mapletree' was wrong to mention Germany. We live in a world where everyone is taking our money...............and now we have landlords added to the list. They don't add wealth to the system, they take it away. How long can this last? If you read the post to which I replied it said that landlords are pond life. It didn�t say UK ones Yes, the UK is worse value than Germany. We need to continue to put in place controls similar to those in Germany But saying all landlords are awful is just childish. There will be many on here that rent out a property. For example when a parent goes into care.
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Croydon 01 Mar 19 10.50pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

If you read the post to which I replied it said that landlords are pond life. It didn�t say UK ones

Yes, the UK is worse value than Germany. We need to continue to put in place controls similar to those in Germany

But saying all landlords are awful is just childish. There will be many on here that rent out a property. For example when a parent goes into care.

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.TUX. 01 Mar 19 11.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Well if banks didn't charge so much for mortgages and house prices were so high, then perhaps more people would buy. My only issue with landlords is that they are too greedy. ........change the rules when the economy tanked in '08/9 then maybe the QE funds (printed from thin-air) after would've got to those who needed a leg-up instead of just rewarding those who already could afford a deposit re- a mortgage. A corrupt stance within a corrupt system. End of. Buy Litecoin.
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01 Mar 19 11.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well if banks didn't charge so much for mortgages and house prices were so high, then perhaps more people would buy.
My only issue with landlords is that they are too greedy.

........change the rules when the economy tanked in '08/9 then maybe the QE funds (printed from thin-air) after would've got to those who needed a leg-up instead of just rewarding those who already could afford a deposit re- a mortgage.

A corrupt stance within a corrupt system. End of.

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.TUX. 01 Mar 19 11.14pm
Originally posted by Mapletree If you read the post to which I replied it said that landlords are pond life. It didn�t say UK ones Yes, the UK is worse value than Germany. We need to continue to put in place controls similar to those in Germany But saying all landlords are awful is just childish. There will be many on here that rent out a property. For example when a parent goes into care. I said they were parasites. Buy Litecoin.
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01 Mar 19 11.14pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

If you read the post to which I replied it said that landlords are pond life. It didn�t say UK ones

Yes, the UK is worse value than Germany. We need to continue to put in place controls similar to those in Germany

But saying all landlords are awful is just childish. There will be many on here that rent out a property. For example when a parent goes into care.

I said they were parasites.

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Mapletree Croydon 01 Mar 19 11.24pm
Originally posted by .TUX. I said they were parasites. Ah, so they may be the good kind of parasite. Now I get it
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Croydon 01 Mar 19 11.24pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

I said they were parasites.

Ah, so they may be the good kind of parasite. Now I get it

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.TUX. 01 Mar 19 11.39pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Ah, so they may be the good kind of parasite. Now I get it You chose to bring Germany into the mix, a completely different model. You ''get'' nothing tbh. Buy Litecoin.
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01 Mar 19 11.39pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, so they may be the good kind of parasite. Now I get it

You chose to bring Germany into the mix, a completely different model.
You ''get'' nothing tbh.

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Stirlingsays 01 Mar 19 11.40pm
In my experience I tend to feel the same way about landlords as I do about farmers. However, I've known good landlords as well and like farmers they are vital. I don't know enough about it to say whether rent controls would be a sensible thing or not. However, what is self evident is that many people are priced out of a reasonably priced abode and landlords are apart of that system. This is a failure of decades of governmental neglect. A 'kicking the can down the road' symptom that is one of the flaws with the democratic system. Houses are bloody expensive things to build and building lots of them takes time.....So the government creating the inducements to enable it isn't going to really get the same rewards to crow about in a five year cycle as they can over less expensive policies......Even though it's vital. As the old Greek saying goes.....'society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in'. But politicians are rarely those kind of old men. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Mar 2019 11.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Mar 19 11.40pm

In my experience I tend to feel the same way about landlords as I do about farmers.

However, I've known good landlords as well and like farmers they are vital.

I don't know enough about it to say whether rent controls would be a sensible thing or not. However, what is self evident is that many people are priced out of a reasonably priced abode and landlords are apart of that system.

This is a failure of decades of governmental neglect. A 'kicking the can down the road' symptom that is one of the flaws with the democratic system.

Houses are bloody expensive things to build and building lots of them takes time.....So the government creating the inducements to enable it isn't going to really get the same rewards to crow about in a five year cycle as they can over less expensive policies......Even though it's vital.

As the old Greek saying goes.....'society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in'.

But politicians are rarely those kind of old men.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Mar 2019 11.45pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Mar 19 11.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays In my experience I tend to feel the same way about landlords as I do about farmers. However, I've known good landlords as well and like farmers they are vital. I don't know enough about it to say whether rent controls would be a sensible thing or not. However, what is self evident is that many people are priced out of a reasonably priced abode and landlords are apart of that system. This is a failure of decades of governmental neglect. A 'kicking the can down the road' symptom that is one of the flaws with the democratic system. Houses are bloody expensive things to build and building lots of them takes time.....So the government creating the inducements to enable it isn't going to really get the same rewards to crow about in a five year cycle as they can over less expensive policies......Even though it's vital. As the old Greek saying goes.....'society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in'. But politicians are rarely those kind of old men. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Mar 2019 11.45pm) The house is the cheap part. It's the land & the planning which is the time consuming & expensive part. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Mar 19 11.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In my experience I tend to feel the same way about landlords as I do about farmers.

However, I've known good landlords as well and like farmers they are vital.

This is a failure of decades of governmental neglect. A 'kicking the can down the road' symptom that is one of the flaws with the democratic system.

Houses are bloody expensive things to build and building lots of them takes time.....So the government creating the inducements to enable it isn't going to really get the same rewards to crow about in a five year cycle as they can over less expensive policies......Even though it's vital.

As the old Greek saying goes.....'society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in'.

But politicians are rarely those kind of old men.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Mar 2019 11.45pm)

The house is the cheap part. It's the land & the planning which is the time consuming & expensive part.

Pro USA & Israel

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 02 Mar 19 12.03am
OK lets look at it from another angle. Without landlords there would be no private renting sector whatsoever. Just home ownership or social housing. There is not enough social housing to cope now let alone if you added the tens of millions who currently privately rent to it. Home ownership is not practical for everyone. Many people are unable to get a mortgage due to bad credit/low salary/no salary or debts. There are various scenarios in which people rely on the private sector such as when people arrive in Britain (unable to buy or gain social housing) or people who move for a short period of time on a temporary job contract etc. So for those who have it in for landlords then please explain to me how it would be possible for Britain to run without a private renting sector? "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 02 Mar 19 12.03am

OK lets look at it from another angle.

Without landlords there would be no private renting sector whatsoever. Just home ownership or social housing.

There is not enough social housing to cope now let alone if you added the tens of millions who currently privately rent to it.

Home ownership is not practical for everyone.
Many people are unable to get a mortgage due to bad credit/low salary/no salary or debts.

There are various scenarios in which people rely on the private sector such as when people arrive in Britain (unable to buy or gain social housing) or people who move for a short period of time
on a temporary job contract etc.

So for those who have it in for landlords then please explain to me how it would be possible for Britain to run without a private renting sector?

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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