Some drill artist wearing a balaclava on newsnight saying nothing apart from gibberish. He did say ‘you lot don’t care about us’ which is true, but his ‘message to yoof out there is only care about your paper (money)’, just sums up a big part of the problem. He was sat there like he didn’t give a fvck in the head of year’s office after being rude to a teacher in class. Slumped in his chair, tutting etc with a balaclava on. A balaclava ffs, complaining about nothing apart from living in a hole. Some of the places are, some of them aren’t, but it doesn’t stop any of them driving it down. No responsibility. None. Someone else’s fault they haven’t got something. They won’t start anywhere on the earning ladder that isn’t very high so never will. Sadly this sh1t is probably here to stay. Don’t go near it.

COYP

To his credit there was a really decent guy from that well known far right group OFSTED basically saying all kids get an equal chance and we need to look at the social and family issues. Obviously there was the usual race baiter around to shout them down. Even in the preamble they dismissed social issues as “unlikely”

Not sure if they are out of touch, in denial or just phuckwits.

I was brought up on the Honour Oak estate in Brockley in the 70's and we had no money, no youth club and very few "services" other than a chippy and local shops. There were social problems and fights and neighborhood disturbances for sure but people were not killing each other and the police generally had the respect or at least fear of the general public. Not least as most of them were 6ft tall and could handle themselves as they knew how to handle violence and took no s***. People are now both scared of walking the streets and scared to have an opinion as to why.

LBC have just pointed out that the Mayor of London's staff costs have risen significantly under Mayor Can't and will double to around 60-70 million in the next 2 years.

This hasn't stopped Khan complaining he needs more money for the police, well why are his costs rising so rapidly?

I do think the police are under resourced but whilst you have people like Khan (and Johnson)chucking taxpayers money around like confetti what guarantee is there that the money will be spent wisely?

One more point

Some good points made, and issues raised.
I know from a schools perspective, having disruptive children in class impacts the ones who want to learn. Unruly children are a big drain on staff and £ resources.
I've seen kids barely in their teens stealing from shops and attempting violence when in groups.

It does seem a trend to play the victim, when actually you are the cause. In the main, the kids and parents.
I taught at a school in the 1990's where some parents had Court Orders, which prevented them coming onto school property as they had threatened/assaulted staff.
So 'parents evenings', 'sports days' and just collecting your kid(s), became a problem.
What hope did those kids have, when their parents were phucktards ?

When I was 16, I recall seeing a brutal fight on school property, where a skinhead had his nose splattered across his face by a 'rocker'. The rocker was expelled, and just over a year later he was patrolling the local streets as a policeman

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (07 Mar 2019 11.33am)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

Very good point.

It's not like us White folk were born with a silver spoon or had a great education.
The vast majority did not turn to serious violence just because their dad buggered off and we didn't get enough toys.

Poverty, home issues etc are not an excuse to become a murdering scumbag.
In my experience, people become inclined toward violence at a very young age. I won't go as far to say that they are born that way but certainly, nurture seems to switch some people's violent nature on much more so than others.

Is there a measurable difference across racial groups?
I don't know the answer.
Does a culture that promotes violence perpetuate it? For sure.