It's not generally contested that he was shagging Aisha before puberty. To quote Wiki on this topic, '. Various ahadith stating that Aisha was either nine or ten at the time of her consummation come from collections with sahih status, meaning they are regarded as reputable by the majority of Muslims'.

This was common practise for the time and indeed up until the middle ages in Europe.

The problem is that we don't elevate those people up as the 'ideal man', whereas that is what Mohammad is taught as within Islam.

Thankfully the west stopped this as a culturally acceptable practice a very long time ago. Other countries have only done so in name.....and plenty are iffy at that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Mar 2019 7.15am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Errr....sorry, where is the citing of any accepted Islamic source suggesting that?

The consensus within Islam is that this was a child bride. I will repeat the Wiki quote again here:

'Various ahadith stating that Aisha was either nine or ten at the time of her consummation come from collections with sahih status, meaning they are regarded as reputable by the majority of Muslims'

You are not speaking for truth here. You are simply echoing the discomfort of some western Muslims as they try to justify and muddy this part of their religious tradition.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

My understanding of the scriptures, which presumably must be overridden by the law of the country, is that it was legal to have sex with your wife only after puberty but you could marry prior to puberty.

But this is historic and not in operation in Syria now. Turns out in Syria it's legal to have sex from the age of 15, but not before.

I still think 15 is too young.

At an individual level they're people over and under the age limit which the law may not be appropriate for. Laws that contain age restrictions are arbitrary by their very nature and rely on the consensus of the people and if it comes to it the common sense of a judge.

Back in the seventies there was a move to reduce the age of consent to around 13/14. This was supported by very dubious people but also by serious politicians like Harriet Harman. In the context of that time there were campaigns around cannabis, gay rights (you had to be 21), women's rights, civil rights etc and this was just another movement for a freer society.

In hindsight most of the serious people who supported that now take a very different attitude and I think it safe to say that the public's attitude has harden as well. This also applied in other European countries which previously had lower age limits which have now been increased.

I suspect there are now more people who think the age should be increased rather than reduced.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Mar 2019 11.03am)

One more point

Na.....No one gets to vote unless it's for some right wing party....new rule.

Only sensible women allowed to vote as well.....So that's half of them out at a stroke.

No Millwall, Arsenal or Brighton....or below 5 out of 10 uglies or feminists.....which is pretty much the same thing.

Right...now I've sorted the country out I'm getting a coffee.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Mar 2019 11.30am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yep, while we don't want to get paranoid about it, we all know that they are out there.....Children need people looking out for them....and those evil b******s look for the ones gone astray.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)