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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 18 Mar 19 8.41am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Agree until the last couple of games, but then he might just need a rest. He's been second only the AWB this season overall.

I think Townsend is one of our more frustrating players who clearly needs coaching. Sammy Lee got the best out of him.

A lot of the players could be doing better. PVA has needed dropping for a while, Meyer is clearly a quality footballer but needs direction, Macca is a good squad player who should be deputising, not starting, the goalies are prone to clangers which can be coached out, all of these performance problems are coaching related.

Everything you mentioned above has already been mentioned by ..everyone except the fact that Mr Hodgson is to blame for it all.
Townsend is a fully grown up football player, I don't think he needs Mr Hodgson to hold his hand and inform him what a ball looks like and what happens when you kick it.

 

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Originally posted by ChrisGC

Have to disagree.

We can field a starting 11, when fit, that is better than the starting 11 of 12 other premier League teams in my opinion. Perhaps it's true that we have only Zaha and AWB who are top 4 quality, but that's 2 more than Watford, Brighton, Burnley, Newcastle etc, and one more than WHU, Liecester, Everton. I think we should be realistically competing for top 8 and would consider Luka, Kouyate, Sakho, Tomkins, Townshend of being worthy of that quality.

Squad depth is a problem, but that's true of at least ten other teams: who do Bournemouth, Everton, Watford have on the bench? When injuries hit you look for the incoming players to be 20% better then they actually are as they're playing for a place and the rest of the team to come together so that the machine as a whole can be better than the sum of its parts. Do you honestly believe Dann, Ward, Kelly are that far off the standard when they have to deputise occasionally against the likes of Brighton or Huddersfield? I don't.
We're where we are because of poor management. Corners at both ends are a massive problem, yet we have proven capability. This is coaching. We have fit strikers since January and choices of positive central mids like Kouyate and Meyer or defensive options like Macca and Schlupp which can be used as subs or to start. They are usually negative options: This is poor management.

PVA has been very bad for a while and is capable of better. He should have been dropped for Schlupp after Bournemouth away. We wasn't. This is bad management.

I'll end by saying that I wouldn't consider Craig Foster an authority on the matter. He was on high wages and reportedly refused to leave when we were in financial difficulty. He was a waste of a shirt, not even bang average on his day. If we applied his attitude and ability across the squad we'd already be relegated.

Bloody hell. i find myself agreeing with you, a good summery especial the comment about Craig Foster.

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 18 Mar 19 8.49am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Everything you mentioned above has already been mentioned by ..everyone except the fact that Mr Hodgson is to blame for it all.
Townsend is a fully grown up football player, I don't think he needs Mr Hodgson to hold his hand and inform him what a ball looks like and what happens when you kick it.

So what exactly is the role of the management and coaching team then?

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 18 Mar 19 8.53am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

The ability of some of our players to pass to another who is only about four feet away is down to Mr Hodgson then is it?

Well, yes.

You work on it in training and if there's no improvement you drop the player.

Certainly one of those things isn't happening...

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 18 Mar 19 8.54am

Lol, you have made my day!

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 18 Mar 19 8.55am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Whilst I find your view point an interesting take, and would agree it's a better option than how we take them (which is just giving possession back to the opponent) I think every corner is the chance of a goal. Even moreso now referees are looking to give penalties for any kind of contact.

The improvement of defending and attacking of corners would be the number one priority of any incoming manager.

What's the point of having all that defensive structure if you're bound to concede a goal to a corner every game? It doesn't make sense to me. Nor does having scored maybe one goal all season from corners when we play wide and get at least 4 a game. That's a return of 1 goal for 120 attempts. That's criminal!

Edited by ChrisGC (18 Mar 2019 8.37am)

I didn't expect that reaction! lol
Corners are very well defended by most teams that is why they are overrated and most teams do not put all their eggs into one basket, how many times have you witnessed a team at the end of a game putting all their players into the box for a corner (including their goalie lol) and then being kippered to death on the break.

 

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Originally posted by Tickled pink

I didn't expect that reaction! lol
Corners are very well defended by most teams that is why they are overrated and most teams do not put all their eggs into one basket, how many times have you witnessed a team at the end of a game putting all their players into the box for a corner (including their goalie lol) and then being kippered to death on the break.


I can't think of one, off hand, that fits all of those critera (end of game, 11 defenders in 18 yard box, opposition score on break); which examples were you thinking of?

 


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We over rate our players, we're not a top half team.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 18 Mar 19 9.20am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave


I can't think of one, off hand, that fits all of those critera (end of game, 11 defenders in 18 yard box, opposition score on break); which examples were you thinking of?

I get the feeling you don't like me.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 18 Mar 19 9.29am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Roy Hodgson has a brilliant record in coaching players and getting the best out of them, his record over Europe is second to none so why should his performances with this suddenly be awful with our players, makes no sense to even bring it up.

If I'm proved to be wrong then fair enough.

 

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Originally posted by bexleydave


I can't think of one, off hand, that fits all of those critera (end of game, 11 defenders in 18 yard box, opposition score on break); which examples were you thinking of?

If you overplay a corner you will experience big problems, keeping players back and organised results in them being overrated.

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 18 Mar 19 9.36am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Roy Hodgson has a brilliant record in coaching players and getting the best out of them, his record over Europe is second to none so why should his performances with this suddenly be awful with our players, makes no sense to even bring it up.

If I'm proved to be wrong then fair enough.

Well, this is a bold statement which statistics don't support I'm afraid.

A third of the total of all his career management victories came with Malmö. His time there ended in 1989.

 

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