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  Hrolf The Ganger  26 Mar 19 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Noted. I do still want to know what a ‘fisty cuff’ is though. Suppose I’ll never find out now You don't know that fistycuffs is a quaint term used to describe fighting usually where no blow is actually struck. And you expect me to take you seriously?
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| Stirlingsays 26 Mar 19 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Exactly. As you’ve said, it takes time. Time has nothing to do with it, It can't be done via platitudes or punishments. Homogeneous cultures are like this all around the world. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2019 2.42pm)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 26 Mar 19 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
'Education'. The only way you make people on mass 'get along' together is interdependence.......You can't 'teach' people to like each other, that's called indoctrination.....very soviet and it doesn't work anyway it just hides it via repression. The ethics of making people 'interdependent' on another when they don't wish to be is off the charts. Oh and very EU.
So why do you think racial prejudices, which were previously commonplace in the UK, have reduced drastically? What caused it? Because to me, surely the answer to that is education.
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Teddy Eagle  26 Mar 19 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
So why do you think racial prejudices, which were previously commonplace in the UK, have reduced drastically? What caused it? Because to me, surely the answer to that is education. _______________________________________________________ The prospect of being arrested for “hate crime” might have had something to do with it.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Mar 19 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
So why do you think racial prejudices, which were previously commonplace in the UK, have reduced drastically? What caused it? Because to me, surely the answer to that is education. To the extent that they have I have already answered that in the very post you replied to......interdependence and/or repression. The reality is that the majority of people move away from non homogeneous areas. The census data makes that very plain. It's only the interdependent, poor or citizens of nowhere who feel at ease and stay. Look at a map of London. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2019 2.49pm)
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Attachment: | Hrolf The Ganger 26 Mar 19 2.52pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Time has nothing to do with it. It can't be done. Homogeneous cultures are like this all around the world. Humans like homogeny and conformity. When you introduce anything different, friction will always occur. You see this with race, religion, fashion, politics. It is tribalism. In Britain, we see lots of other ethnicities and are therefore less inclined to indulge in petty racial abuse. That does not mean that the far more serious underlying cultural antagonisms will disappear. Nothing in history has suggested that they ever go.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Mar 2019 2.55pm)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 26 Mar 19 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
To the extent that they have I have already answered that in the very post you replied to......interdependence and/or repression. The reality is that the majority of people move away from non homogeneous areas. The census data makes that very plain. It's only the interdependent, poor or citizens of nowhere who feel at ease and stay. Look at a map of London. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2019 2.49pm) It feels to me like you’re trying to crowbar a viewpoint in where it doesn’t really apply. I’ve read plenty of your posts on why you oppose globalism, and I can certainly understand the points you make on that - surely there has to be a distinction made, however, between forcing people to get along, in the ways you have previously described, and expecting individuals not to racially abuse someone; those two points are a long way apart in my eyes. I don’t think anyone is reasonably arguing that the Montenegrins should be forced to befriend Sterling and take him for a pint, but I think it’s reasonable to argue that they should not racially abuse him. Surely whether you support globalism or not, discriminatory abuse should not be considered acceptable.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Mar 19 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
_______________________________________________________ The prospect of being arrested for “hate crime” might have had something to do with it. I take your point but I actually suspect that the politically motivated laws we now have actually cause more resentment than existed before. What makes people suspicious and resentful of others, beyond simple unfamiliarity, is what they do and in this case, the perception that they get preferential treatment. This has little to do with monkey noises in Montenegro of course.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Mar 19 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It feels to me like you’re trying to crowbar a viewpoint in where it doesn’t really apply. I’ve read plenty of your posts on why you oppose globalism, and I can certainly understand the points you make on that - surely there has to be a distinction made, however, between forcing people to get along, in the ways you have previously described, and expecting individuals not to racially abuse someone; those two points are a long way apart in my eyes. I don’t think anyone is reasonably arguing that the Montenegrins should be forced to befriend Sterling and take him for a pint, but I think it’s reasonable to argue that they should not racially abuse him. Surely whether you support globalism or not, discriminatory abuse should not be considered acceptable. Of course it's reasonable, but you can't expect reason from the type of people who make monkey noises at football matches.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 26 Mar 19 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Of course it's reasonable, but you can't expect reason from the type of people who make monkey noises at football matches. Agreed, but the alternative is you just let them crack on with it, which is an approach I find impossible to support. To not take action just normalises the abuse, and you’ll soon have a whole new generation of Montenegrin fans who think it’s fine to make monkey noises, and the cycle continues. We, as in English football fans, are living proof that these behaviours can be changed with time and education, so why should we allow it to fester elsewhere just because there is no easy fix. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (26 Mar 2019 3.14pm)
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| Stirlingsays 26 Mar 19 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It feels to me like you’re trying to crowbar a viewpoint in where it doesn’t really apply. I’ve read plenty of your posts on why you oppose globalism, and I can certainly understand the points you make on that - surely there has to be a distinction made, however, between forcing people to get along, in the ways you have previously described, and expecting individuals not to racially abuse someone; those two points are a long way apart in my eyes. I don’t think anyone is reasonably arguing that the Montenegrins should be forced to befriend Sterling and take him for a pint, but I think it’s reasonable to argue that they should not racially abuse him. Surely whether you support globalism or not, discriminatory abuse should not be considered acceptable.
My attitude to this kind of thing is old school and not perfect...you tolerate the idiots as long as they keep to themselves....that is obviously not the current cultural zeitgeist......Instead we just get differing levels of moral outrage with lots of people using words like 'unacceptable', 'education' and 'ban'. People need to come to terms with the reality that no one can or should be able to control large groups of people. In my view if the 'idiot' fan section of these out matched football teams are too morally repugnant for the feelings of the football institutions....then play in empty stadiums. Segregation.....which is what always happens one way or another.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Mar 19 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Agreed, but the alternative is you just let them crack on with it, which is an approach I find impossible to support. To not take action just normalises the abuse, and you’ll soon have a whole new generation of Montenegrin fans who think it’s fine to make monkey noises, and the cycle continues. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (26 Mar 2019 3.14pm) That region has sectarianism that makes Scotland and Ireland look like Disney land. I doubt that a few monkey chants will be top of the agenda.
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