Pitty, you might have learnt something about tolerance, acceptance and good music.

They have already interfered with many lives being the UK's biggest ever export.

There's hardly a country that doesn't have a skinhead sub culture whether the original one, or the nasty bonehead one.

I have feeling you have never had an interest in any sub culture. Sub cultures are all nearly started by working class youth - something. I believe you were not

Only a white middle/upper class snob would show no interest in such a amazing thing.

Well as long as they didn't/don't interfere with your life that's ok

Edited by Park Road (16 Apr 2019 11.12pm)

Because of idiots from the extremes of politics.

There is clearly no difference between White and Black pride.

It is racist to believe otherwise.

You can't justify penalising one demographic simply because at one brief time in history some of them exploited other people for profit who happened to be Black.

Get off your narrow minded, self righteous high horse and consider how ridiculous that is in the grand scheme.

The exploitation wasn't brief and the effects are still present today. There is no need for any individuals to carry any personal guilt of their fathers but society still has to deal with their collective legacy. That society involves us all, whatever our particular skin colour.

This is the typical response of those who are unable to see their own prejudices. It is an unfortunate symptom of the populist ills now infecting modern societies.

That you cannot see the difference doesn't mean there isn't one. It just means that you cannot recognise it.

The exploitation wasn't brief and the effects are still present today. There is no need for any individuals to carry any personal guilt of their fathers but society still has to deal with their collective legacy. That society involves us all, whatever our particular skin colour.

This is the typical response of those who are unable to see their own prejudices. It is an unfortunate symptom of the populist ills now infecting modern societies.

That you cannot see the difference doesn't mean there isn't one. It just means that you cannot recognise it.

The exploitation wasn't brief and the effects are still present today. There is no need for any individuals to carry any personal guilt of their fathers but society still has to deal with their collective legacy. That society involves us all, whatever our particular skin colour.

No one should be treated differently for any reason. Everyone is entitled to pride irrespective of any narrow minded definition applied to it by the hard of thinking, irrespective of their political persuasion.

Obviously true and not in any way being challenged by the arguments I have made. The challenges exist only in the minds of those who seek to compartmentalise the arguments.

Understand. Slavery is not about colour. It is about opportunity.
Many races have been slaves including to their own race. Many have been considered inferior by others and it doesn't just depend on how they look. Many Jews in Germany did not look very different from any other Germans and yet they were put on the trains like all the others because of a mindset perpetuated by the Nazis.

Also obviously true but not part of my argument either. Slavery was not brought up by me but introduced by others who made assumptions.

The idea that you want to select a brief moment in history to condemn an entire group of people to perpetual shame is so absurd that a man of your obvious intelligence should be ashamed to believe it.

I don't seek to "condemn an entire group of people to perpetual shame"! That is a distortion of quite ridiculous proportions. I am merely pointing out that those who use the two terms do so for different motivations. I am a white skinned man but I don't go around claiming to be "White and proud" because the colour of my skin is an irrelevance to me. So why do some people do it? Find the answer to that and you might get the point. Black people though, because of the way our society has developed, live with a continuing strand of prejudice at certain levels. Therefore those who use "Black and proud" do so for very different motivations. It really isn't too difficult to understand.

You are basically advocating racism as a reaction to something that historically, has not been primarily about racism.

You have been indoctrinated by pseudo intellectual liberal bias based on misplaced guilt. You are being manipulated and you don't even know it.

I am not "advocating racism"! I am pointing out that people use terminology for different reasons, some of which can be honourably defended and some not.

Put this into a wider context and think about how ridiculous your ideas will seem in several hundred years when White people make up only 10% of the world population and decreasing.

Hopefully by then the use of such language will have completely died out and the idea of black, white and brown skins is a distant memory.

How long do you want to continue this race bias to make up for slavery and segregation? Till all the White people are gone? Will that satisfies your guilt?
Do you really think that you can make all people equal with social manipulation?
Do you think it is reasonable to give positive discrimination to people who actually outnumber White Europeans 8-1 globally just because they are currently a minority in your country?

Do you not see that your attitude is totally racist.
You are blaming a whole demographic for the historical misdeeds of a few.

That sums up the complete misrepresentation of all I have been saying and hints at the underlying racism which is at the base of why some people think that "White and proud" is no different to "Black and proud". Not that I think there is a snowball's chance in hell that you will see it.

That's my last word to you on this.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2019 10.42am)