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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 16 May 19 8.44pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by becky


No, we haven't left yet because the referendum did not produce the result that Cameron and Parliament expected, instead leaving them with a result that they didn't want. Thus they have done everything possible not to deliver what the majority wants

That is definitely one school of thought, Becky.

Another one is that the 2016 vote is undeliverable, due to the enormous differences between no deal/May’s deal/Norway plus etc etc.

Leaving is one thing.

How you leave, is quite another.

 


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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

That is definitely one school of thought, Becky.

Another one is that the 2016 vote is undeliverable, due to the enormous differences between no deal/May’s deal/Norway plus etc etc.

Leaving is one thing.

How you leave, is quite another.

Stop using the word undeliverable. It is deliverable with no deal for example. This is about obstruction.

 

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.TUX. Flag 16 May 19 9.22pm

Originally posted by becky


No, we haven't left yet because the referendum did not produce the result that Cameron and Parliament expected, instead leaving them with a result that they didn't want. Thus they have done everything possible not to deliver what the majority wants

This, regardless of how 'others' wish to twist it.......twinned with the ''We have to bail out the banks or the world will implode'' mantra.
10yrs later the banks are richer than ever (on paper....pfft) yet we, the people, still have austerity? The very same people who say Brexit will also implode the world. Wake up ffs.

Wealth confiscating at it's finest.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Stop using the word undeliverable. It is deliverable with no deal for example. This is about obstruction.

You are wrong, if you dont mind me pointing out.

People did not vote exclusively for a no deal exit, though some did.

People did not vote exclusively for May's deal (as it didnt exist), though some voted for some kind of managed exit along the lines of a withdrawal agreement/deal.

People did not vote exclusively for Norway plus, though some did.

Therefore delivering one of those options, is not democratic, Hrolf.

You cannot play the "uphold the democracy" card on one hand when it suits you, then completely sack of the concept of democracy on the other hand.

The way in which we leave the EU has massive, fundamental and far reaching consequences. No deal compared to May's deal is very different indeed.

To democratically deliver one of those exit routes, it must be voted on in a 2nd referendum.

Given the amount of lies, mistruths, lack of understanding and simple inability to predict the future in 2016, any reasonable person would also concede the very concept of leaving the EU must be voted on again, if you are going to the trouble of arranging a second national vote.

If your position is solid, we will vote again to leave the EU.

As you hold democracy in such high regard, if the will of the British people has changed, as they have seen the 350 mil for the NHS was a lie, and they have seen job losses and uncertainty, and they have seen what is happening with British Steel, then democratic process must rule and a new vote must be held.

 


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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

No.

The second question would not be counted, on a spoiled ballot, or a ballot which indicates remain on the first question.

Another theory would be, why should a remainer not get to have a say in how we leave, even if they don’t want to?

It’s their country and economy too. Democracy would indicate everyone should have a say in how to leave, if we must leave?

Edited by Maine Eagle (16 May 2019 8.43pm)

All you are doing, yet again, is introducing the idea of an unnecessary second referendum by adding on some other questions.

Forget it.

 

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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

You are wrong, if you dont mind me pointing out.

People did not vote exclusively for a no deal exit, though some did.

People did not vote exclusively for May's deal (as it didnt exist), though some voted for some kind of managed exit along the lines of a withdrawal agreement/deal.

People did not vote exclusively for Norway plus, though some did.

Therefore delivering one of those options, is not democratic, Hrolf.

You cannot play the "uphold the democracy" card on one hand when it suits you, then completely sack of the concept of democracy on the other hand.

The way in which we leave the EU has massive, fundamental and far reaching consequences. No deal compared to May's deal is very different indeed.

To democratically deliver one of those exit routes, it must be voted on in a 2nd referendum.

Given the amount of lies, mistruths, lack of understanding and simple inability to predict the future in 2016, any reasonable person would also concede the very concept of leaving the EU must be voted on again, if you are going to the trouble of arranging a second national vote.

If your position is solid, we will vote again to leave the EU.

As you hold democracy in such high regard, if the will of the British people has changed, as they have seen the 350 mil for the NHS was a lie, and they have seen job losses and uncertainty, and they have seen what is happening with British Steel, then democratic process must rule and a new vote must be held.

More claptrap.

I'm sure there are Remainers who would like to alter some aspects of EU membership but leaned toward the safer option.

You cannot rerun a vote just because it is in the nature of remaining that everything stays the same and that Leave has options.

Do give up. Your arguments are all self serving and nothing more.
We had a vote and a binary choice was the only fair option.
The fact that Parliament has conspired to ignore it does not mean that we can just keep having votes till you and they get result you wanted.
Another vote would just trigger another load of lies and propaganda from both sides, so the idea of being better informed is just another losers excuse.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All you are doing, yet again, is introducing the idea of an unnecessary second referendum by adding on some other questions.

Forget it.

Seems highly necessary to me, to get off the road to nowhere, and get on the road to somewhere.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

More claptrap.

I'm sure there are Remainers who would like to alter some aspects of EU membership but leaned toward the safer option.

You cannot rerun a vote just because it is in the nature of remaining that everything stays the same and that Leave has options.

Do give up. Your arguments are all self serving and nothing more.
We had a vote and a binary choice was the only fair option.
The fact that Parliament has conspired to ignore it does not mean that we can just keep having votes till you and they get result you wanted.
Another vote would just trigger another load of lies and propaganda from both sides, so the idea of being better informed is just another losers excuse.

Missing the point spectacularly, once again.

This isn't about rerunning, changing, altering, doing things over or anything of the sort.

It is to provide a mechanism to resolve the brexit fiasco one way or the other. Currently we are at a total impasse. There is no viable way out of this except a second referendum.

If we are leaving, or staying in, best thing to do now is get the f*** on with it and get it over with.

IMHO a second vote on HOW TO LEAVE the EU (totally missed on the 2016 vote) and whether or not the population of the country still even want to do that, is the best way to achieve a resolution.

 


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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Missing the point spectacularly, once again.

This isn't about rerunning, changing, altering, doing things over or anything of the sort.

It is to provide a mechanism to resolve the brexit fiasco one way or the other. Currently we are at a total impasse. There is no viable way out of this except a second referendum.

If we are leaving, or staying in, best thing to do now is get the f*** on with it and get it over with.

IMHO a second vote on HOW TO LEAVE the EU (totally missed on the 2016 vote) and whether or not the population of the country still even want to do that, is the best way to achieve a resolution.

I've missed nothing. You are coming up with excuses to have a second referendum when we already have the mechanisms in place for Parliament to accept a no deal or a proper Brexit deal.

I'll say it one more time. You cannot reward obstructive Remainers with an opportunity to win a second vote.

In what world does that make any sense except for those who wish to win at all costs?

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I've missed nothing. You are coming up with excuses to have a second referendum when we already have the mechanisms in place for Parliament to accept a no deal or a proper Brexit deal.

I'll say it one more time. You cannot reward obstructive Remainers with an opportunity to win a second vote.

In what world does that make any sense except for those who wish to win at all costs?

I am not giving excuses to have a 2nd vote.

I am suggesting a 2nd vote is the only way to resolve this one way or the other. Those are not the same thing, Hrolf.

As you say above, parliament could go with a no deal, or a proper brexit deal.

This is precisely the issue here. There is no democratic foundation between picking one or the other of those 2 options! It was not voted on.

It should be voted on.

 


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Originally posted by Park Road

Have you been mis using the search engine again?

Remember old chap just coz you think it is so, doesn't mean it is...

No need to use a search engine. Just my eyes and brain are all that are needed.

Just because you wish it wasn't so doesn't mean it isn't so.

 

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Originally posted by Park Road

Yawn! Yes, that's it... Wisbech.
How's your white race search on Google getting on?
Nearly there?

I suggest that you read my replies in the other thread, rather than seek another diversion here.

I get the feeling that you are so set in your ways that new thoughts cannot ever enter your mind.

As your hero might say. Sad!

 

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