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Park Road Flag 10 Jun 19 12.41pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It is a daft comment.

Supporting the media co-operating with the Police and other authorities in an effort to not raise tension and cause over reaction is not suppressing the news or limiting the freedom of the press.

You can criticise the press for doing so, if indeed that's what they did, or you can criticise them for missing the story, but it has nothing at all with any attempt by anyone to restrict the freedom of the press.

You can criticise the way the Police and the authorities handled the matter but you cannot link that to any kind of freedom of the press issues.

For me it's no different to the media voluntarily deciding not to publish stories that could harm our national security, or reveal sensitive sources. As we now have malign foreign countries orchestrating leaks via social media this is a serious current issue.

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the comment is daft...

And YES it has everything to do with suppression of the freedom of the press.

National security I agree when it comes to telling the enemies when we are going to attack. Non reporting on Islamic crime to stop tensions rising is pathetic, especially when far right attrocities are nearly always reported.

Your views and comments are a danger to our society, and should be acted on at every opportunity.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But we all know that the press is not free. At least not from ever increasing political bias.
Is it reasonable to expect one of the biggest victims of press bias not to bite back?

We "all" know?

It's not what I know! I think it's 100% your bias which is in play here.

There is a wide range of approaches available in the media but Trump only regards those who support him to being fair and reasonable. So Fox, InfoWars and Breitbart = good. CNN, MSNMC, NBC = bad.

Being biased against lies and poor behaviour and in favour of truth and decency ought to be supported by everyone.

Any leader who responds to criticism in the way Trump does does not have the character which befits someone holding high office. When you represent your country you don't respond personally. Trump is no longer just Donald Trump. He is the POTUS and needs to act that way.

 


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So Maple, now you have heard both sides on that....where do you stand on this issue?

I think Park's response perfectly sums up how I feel about it personally.

It's documented fact that Police and institutions knew about these crimes for many years previously and Robinson had been talking about them...even mentioned on Newsnight.

Yet it wasn't until the Times took the leap that anything happened......but this had been something no one had wanted to touch for years.....due to accusations of racism, which is definitely suppression.


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Originally posted by Park Road

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the comment is daft...

And YES it has everything to do with suppression of the freedom of the press.

National security I agree when it comes to telling the enemies when we are going to attack. Non reporting on Islamic crime to stop tensions rising is pathetic, especially when far right attrocities are nearly always reported.

Your views and comments are a danger to our society, and should be acted on at every opportunity.

If an act is voluntary then there is no suppression.

Criticising the act is perfectly valid but it is not, and cannot be, a limitation on press freedom. The press are free to co-operate, or not. The decision would be their's alone, if indeed it happened, which is unknown.

If the press as a whole decide that far right atrocities deserve coverage then that is also their decision. That's what press freedom means.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If an act is voluntary then there is no suppression.

Criticising the act is perfectly valid but it is not, and cannot be, a limitation on press freedom. The press are free to co-operate, or not. The decision would be their's alone, if indeed it happened, which is unknown.

If the press as a whole decide that far right atrocities deserve coverage then that is also their decision. That's what press freedom means.

You cannot say on one hand that you agreed with this news not coming out.....and then say there was no suppression.

Your attitude would have been the attitude of the kind of people in charge of these matters......that's why this information didn't become available and no action took place to stop these rapes for donkey years.

It's entirely due to fear over being called racists and negative reactions that this course of inaction happened.

So you claiming no suppression is pure disingenuous nonsense....there was suppression both by the Police, the institutions and the press....and indeed the attitude you promote towards this was criticised by the judge.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2019 1.01pm)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If an act is voluntary then there is no suppression.



Yes there is, an individual or organisation can suppress information and stop it from coming out. Our intelligence services do this all the time. Judges do it with court orders as well.

There is little doubt that not all journalists or indeed Police would have agreed with these actions....so of course suppression happened in that regard as well.

Indeed, this is why eventually the news broke in the first place.....The Times took a chance.

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Park Road Flag 10 Jun 19 1.09pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If an act is voluntary then there is no suppression.

Criticising the act is perfectly valid but it is not, and cannot be, a limitation on press freedom. The press are free to co-operate, or not. The decision would be their's alone, if indeed it happened, which is unknown.

If the press as a whole decide that far right atrocities deserve coverage then that is also their decision. That's what press freedom means.

Wrong again! The press should report everything that is viable. There's definitely a black out when it comes to reporting certain Islamic crimes, and if the press are deciding to pick and choose what they report,on the basis of tension then it is no longer free.
Unless, of course you'd like to live in Russia where what you are saying happens on a regular basis.

And what about an apology for calling someone's comments daft. Bit above you is that?

Edited by Park Road (10 Jun 2019 1.10pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Jun 19 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We "all" know?

It's not what I know! I think it's 100% your bias which is in play here.

There is a wide range of approaches available in the media but Trump only regards those who support him to being fair and reasonable. So Fox, InfoWars and Breitbart = good. CNN, MSNMC, NBC = bad.

Being biased against lies and poor behaviour and in favour of truth and decency ought to be supported by everyone.

Any leader who responds to criticism in the way Trump does does not have the character which befits someone holding high office. When you represent your country you don't respond personally. Trump is no longer just Donald Trump. He is the POTUS and needs to act that way.

You know nothing about objectivity.

Trump has not been given the respect that an elected president deserves and he was never in office before. He is acting exactly as you expect Donald Trump to act under those circumstances.

You would not support him no matter what he did so why waste our time with your observations.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You cannot say on one hand that you agreed with this news not coming out.....and then say there was no suppression.

Your attitude would have been the attitude of the kind of people in charge of these matters......that's why this information didn't become available and no action took place to stop these rapes for donkey years.

It's entirely due to fear over being called racists and negative reactions that this course of inaction happened.

So you claiming no suppression is pure disingenuous nonsense....there was suppression both by the Police, the institutions and the press....and indeed the attitude you promote towards this was criticised by the judge.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2019 1.01pm)

The subject is the freedom of the press and not the term "suppression". If this happened then the press exercised voluntary restraint. In doing so they would have also decided to suppress publishing the story but as the decision was their's no-one was suppressing them.

As I said criticism of the roles of everyone involved, made with hindsight, is perfectly valid, whether by you or a Judge. What isn't valid is to suggest that this means that press freedom was compromised. It wasn't.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The subject is the freedom of the press and not the term "suppression". If this happened then the press exercised voluntary restraint. In doing so they would have also decided to suppress publishing the story but as the decision was their's no-one was suppressing them.

As I said criticism of the roles of everyone involved, made with hindsight, is perfectly valid, whether by you or a Judge. What isn't valid is to suggest that this means that press freedom was compromised. It wasn't.

It’s not likely that every newspaper decided independently that there was nothing to report is it? And if they did then what possible reason could there be?

 

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Park Road Flag 10 Jun 19 1.37pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The subject is the freedom of the press and not the term "suppression". If this happened then the press exercised voluntary restraint. In doing so they would have also decided to suppress publishing the story but as the decision was their's no-one was suppressing them.

As I said criticism of the roles of everyone involved, made with hindsight, is perfectly valid, whether by you or a Judge. What isn't valid is to suggest that this means that press freedom was compromised. It wasn't.

How do you know the decision was theirs?

You are just making things up as they come along. You have no idea who makes the decision.
You should have stuck to the "I was talking to some editors, farmers, trump supporters," like you normally do to explain your outrageous and damaging views.

I'll repeat, your dangerous views are either ill informed or you are a fantasist.

I'm going for the latter

Edited by Park Road (10 Jun 2019 1.38pm)

 

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Originally posted by Park Road

Wrong again! The press should report everything that is viable.

So you don't actually want a free press then do you? You want one that publishes everything that you think is "viable" and not what the Editors decide ought to be included. That is state control and not a free press.


There's definitely a black out when it comes to reporting certain Islamic crimes, and if the press are deciding to pick and choose what they report,on the basis of tension then it is no longer free.
Unless, of course you'd like to live in Russia where what you are saying happens on a regular basis.

Personal opinions of what ought to be published, or not, are just personal opinions. Newspapers and TV news stations have experienced editors. I think it's better to trust them that anyone with a strongly biased opinion.

And what about an apology for calling someone's comments daft. Bit above you is that?

No it's never above me to apologise. In this case though it isn't required as it was a daft comment, as I hope I have shown by identifying the difference between press freedom and voluntary press decision. It's therefore not just a difference of opinion.

Edited by Park Road (10 Jun 2019 1.10pm)

 


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