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Maine Eagle USA 18 Jun 19 6.35pm
Originally posted by corkery I've smuggled enough fireworks over that border to know it's impossible to control. Local border area farmers have said that they'll allow people through their land to avoid the check points. Let's just say you have two customs officers on every crossing. That's 1000 customs officers. A customs officer is not going to into these areas without the Police so that's about another 1000 people needed. Should be a piece of piss with a giant lorry full of legally tracked goods from a major corporation. "Drive through my field, pal". I can see it now. Yes a no deal crash out of the EU would cause all kinds of problems and extra costs, including your 1000 bodies. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 18 Jun 19 6.35pm

Originally posted by corkery

I've smuggled enough fireworks over that border to know it's impossible to control. Local border area farmers have said that they'll allow people through their land to avoid the check points.

Let's just say you have two customs officers on every crossing. That's 1000 customs officers. A customs officer is not going to into these areas without the Police so that's about another 1000 people needed.

Should be a piece of piss with a giant lorry full of legally tracked goods from a major corporation.

"Drive through my field, pal". I can see it now.

Yes a no deal crash out of the EU would cause all kinds of problems and extra costs, including your 1000 bodies.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Maine Eagle USA 18 Jun 19 6.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Most people voted to stop 'freedom of movement' for obvious reasons. The parliamentary question is there but its secondary because....a good number of the politicians are corrupt and only interested in the gravy when it comes to Europe.....and those that aren't but pro EU aren't interested in keeping parliamentary primacy anyway. As you say those reasons are indeed all too obvious. Corrupt politicians....surely not Not sure Grievey is only interested in Gravy. Dominic Grieve is neither corrupt, seeking money from the association with EU or disinterested in parliamentary primacy. He simply sees leaving the EU as, on the whole, bad. I think only Dominic Raab and possibly the next PM that bumbling fool who's advisers are so scared of what he might actually do or say they wont let him join in on TV debates, are actually interested in reducing parliamentary primacy. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 18 Jun 19 6.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Most people voted to stop 'freedom of movement' for obvious reasons.

The parliamentary question is there but its secondary because....a good number of the politicians are corrupt and only interested in the gravy when it comes to Europe.....and those that aren't but pro EU aren't interested in keeping parliamentary primacy anyway.

As you say those reasons are indeed all too obvious.

Corrupt politicians....surely not

Not sure Grievey is only interested in Gravy.

Dominic Grieve is neither corrupt, seeking money from the association with EU or disinterested in parliamentary primacy.

He simply sees leaving the EU as, on the whole, bad.

I think only Dominic Raab and possibly the next PM that bumbling fool who's advisers are so scared of what he might actually do or say they wont let him join in on TV debates, are actually interested in reducing parliamentary primacy.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Jun 19 6.44pm
Originally posted by corkery I've smuggled enough fireworks over that border to know it's impossible to control. Local border area farmers have said that they'll allow people through their land to avoid the check points. Let's just say you have two customs officers on every crossing. That's 1000 customs officers. A customs officer is not going to into these areas without the Police so that's about another 1000 people needed. And that's my point. Smuggling has always gone on and both governments know that. They will not admit it but they are not concerned about individuals bringing back cheap booze etc. Major exporters complete their paperwork electronically before moving their goods. What the EU and Ireland are really concerned about is that we cut VAT in which case people will vote with their feet and cross into NI to buy their stuff thus hurting their economy unless they can control and tax it. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 18 Jun 19 6.44pm

Originally posted by corkery

I've smuggled enough fireworks over that border to know it's impossible to control. Local border area farmers have said that they'll allow people through their land to avoid the check points.

And that's my point. Smuggling has always gone on and both governments know that. They will not admit it but they are not concerned about individuals bringing back cheap booze etc.

Major exporters complete their paperwork electronically before moving their goods.

What the EU and Ireland are really concerned about is that we cut VAT in which case people will vote with their feet and cross into NI to buy their stuff thus hurting their economy unless they can control and tax it.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 6.45pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle As you say those reasons are indeed all too obvious. Corrupt politicians....surely not Not sure Grievey is only interested in Gravy. Dominic Grieve is neither corrupt, seeking money from the association with EU or disinterested in parliamentary primacy. He simply sees leaving the EU as, on the whole, bad. I think only Dominic Raab and possibly the next PM that bumbling fool who's advisers are so scared of what he might actually do or say they wont let him join in on TV debates, are actually interested in reducing parliamentary primacy. No, fair enough...I think in the case of Dominic Grieve.....while I disagree with how he has chosen to represent his leave voting constituency.....no I don't consider him corrupt. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Jun 19 6.45pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

As you say those reasons are indeed all too obvious.

Corrupt politicians....surely not

Not sure Grievey is only interested in Gravy.

Dominic Grieve is neither corrupt, seeking money from the association with EU or disinterested in parliamentary primacy.

He simply sees leaving the EU as, on the whole, bad.

No, fair enough...I think in the case of Dominic Grieve.....while I disagree with how he has chosen to represent his leave voting constituency.....no I don't consider him corrupt.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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DanH SW2 18 Jun 19 6.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays No, fair enough...I think in the case of Dominic Grieve.....while I disagree with how he has chosen to represent his leave voting constituency.....no I don't consider him corrupt. Do you agree with how Raab has represented his remain voting constituency?
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DanH

SW2 18 Jun 19 6.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No, fair enough...I think in the case of Dominic Grieve.....while I disagree with how he has chosen to represent his leave voting constituency.....no I don't consider him corrupt.

Do you agree with how Raab has represented his remain voting constituency?

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 7.07pm
Originally posted by DanH Do you agree with how Raab has represented his remain voting constituency? It's a good question.....What were the figures? But on principle no.....I think in the case of a national referendum MPs should be acting more as delegates. However, obviously what the vote question is itself does matter..not all votes will have the question of leaving or remaining.....but in the case of a leave or remain vote, an MP should really be representing what the majority in their constituency thought.....if the vote was very close perhaps they have wiggle room but with a clear vote....not really. The 'leave or remain' nature of the politician shouldn't matter. Outside of the referendum 'leave or remain' vote I'd regard them as free of that commitment. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 7.09pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Jun 19 7.07pm

Originally posted by DanH

Do you agree with how Raab has represented his remain voting constituency?

It's a good question.....What were the figures?

But on principle no.....I think in the case of a national referendum MPs should be acting more as delegates.

However, obviously what the vote question is itself does matter..not all votes will have the question of leaving or remaining.....but in the case of a leave or remain vote, an MP should really be representing what the majority in their constituency thought.....if the vote was very close perhaps they have wiggle room but with a clear vote....not really.

The 'leave or remain' nature of the politician shouldn't matter.

Outside of the referendum 'leave or remain' vote I'd regard them as free of that commitment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 7.09pm)

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DanH SW2 18 Jun 19 7.11pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's a good question.....What were the figures? But on principle no.....I think in the case of a national referendum MPs should be acting more as delegates. However, obviously what the vote question is itself does matter..not all votes will have the question of leaving or remaining.....but in the case of a leave or remain vote, an MP should really be representing what the majority in their constituency thought.....if the vote was very close perhaps they have wiggle room but with a clear vote....not really. The 'leave or remain' nature of the politician shouldn't matter. Outside of the referendum 'leave or remain' vote I'd regard them as free of that commitment. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 7.09pm) 58% remain. If we�re judging the strength of that vote on the �will of the people� in this batsh*t mental political climate then he should be 4 times more determined to remain than leave.
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SW2 18 Jun 19 7.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's a good question.....What were the figures?

But on principle no.....I think in the case of a national referendum MPs should be acting more as delegates.

The 'leave or remain' nature of the politician shouldn't matter.

Outside of the referendum 'leave or remain' vote I'd regard them as free of that commitment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 7.09pm)

58% remain. If we�re judging the strength of that vote on the �will of the people� in this batsh*t mental political climate then he should be 4 times more determined to remain than leave.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 7.17pm
Originally posted by DanH 58% remain. If we�re judging the strength of that vote on the �will of the people� in this batsh*t mental political climate then he should be 4 times more determined to remain than leave. Agreed. As a representative of his constituency who have specifically voted on this matter he should be. Outside of that 'leave or remain' referendum question, he is free. So once the question is what form of Brexit it is.....and not about leave or remain.....I think that commitment requirement isn't there anymore.....an interesting area and not something I've given much thought to. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 7.23pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jun 19 7.17pm

Originally posted by DanH

58% remain. If we�re judging the strength of that vote on the �will of the people� in this batsh*t mental political climate then he should be 4 times more determined to remain than leave.

Agreed.

As a representative of his constituency who have specifically voted on this matter he should be.

Outside of that 'leave or remain' referendum question, he is free.

So once the question is what form of Brexit it is.....and not about leave or remain.....I think that commitment requirement isn't there anymore.....an interesting area and not something I've given much thought to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 7.23pm)

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DanH SW2 18 Jun 19 7.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Agreed. As a representative of his constituency who have specifically voted on this matter he should be. Outside of that 'leave or remain' question, he is free. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 7.20pm) I knew we�d agree on something eventually.
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DanH

SW2 18 Jun 19 7.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Agreed.

As a representative of his constituency who have specifically voted on this matter he should be.

Outside of that 'leave or remain' question, he is free.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 7.20pm)

I knew we�d agree on something eventually.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 19 7.25pm
Originally posted by DanH I knew we�d agree on something eventually. I think you'd agree with me about this bint across the road. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Jun 19 7.25pm

Originally posted by DanH

I knew we�d agree on something eventually.

I think you'd agree with me about this bint across the road.

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Jun 19 8.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think you'd agree with me about this bint across the road. Is she in the bank ?
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The garden of England 18 Jun 19 8.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think you'd agree with me about this bint across the road.

Is she in the bank ?

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 18 Jun 19 11.41pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's a good question.....What were the figures? But on principle no.....I think in the case of a national referendum MPs should be acting more as delegates. However, obviously what the vote question is itself does matter..not all votes will have the question of leaving or remaining.....but in the case of a leave or remain vote, an MP should really be representing what the majority in their constituency thought.....if the vote was very close perhaps they have wiggle room but with a clear vote....not really. The 'leave or remain' nature of the politician shouldn't matter. Outside of the referendum 'leave or remain' vote I'd regard them as free of that commitment. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2019 7.09pm) Agreed Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 18 Jun 19 11.41pm