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Teddy Eagle 07 Aug 19 4.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You just don't get it do you? Just as we don't carry the responsibility for our forefathers owning slaves because we have moved on in our way of thinking so will the future generations of immigrants, so long as we manage the situation correctly. Going to British schools, watching British TV and being involved in British culture will ensure that. It's the schooling though that is the key. In the internet age if we allow a situation in which children grow up entirely surrounded by another culture nothing will change. You don’t get it either. We’re dealing with a group of people who not only don’t want to be part of British culture but will actively resist the proposal. The Asst Police Commissioner has said that British Muslims, and others, should not be forced to assimilate.
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Teddy Eagle

07 Aug 19 4.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You just don't get it do you?

Just as we don't carry the responsibility for our forefathers owning slaves because we have moved on in our way of thinking so will the future generations of immigrants, so long as we manage the situation correctly.

Going to British schools, watching British TV and being involved in British culture will ensure that. It's the schooling though that is the key. In the internet age if we allow a situation in which children grow up entirely surrounded by another culture nothing will change.

You don’t get it either.
We’re dealing with a group of people who not only don’t want to be part of British culture but will actively resist the proposal. The Asst Police Commissioner has said that British Muslims, and others, should not be forced to assimilate.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 19 7.42pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle You don’t get it either. We’re dealing with a group of people who not only don’t want to be part of British culture but will actively resist the proposal. The Asst Police Commissioner has said that British Muslims, and others, should not be forced to assimilate. Let me try to help you get it. The "group of people" you refer to will, over time, become another group of people. They will become second and third generation children of immigrants, who have been brought up surrounded by British culture and, so long as we don't isolate them, by British people too. That changes people. You can already see it with some of the youngsters kicking back against the authoritarian control of their parents. We need to slowly draw them into the mainstream.It's happened before and there is no valid reason why it cannot again. It just takes effort and patience. I agree though with the Commissioner. Some folk are set in their ways and will not change so it would be counter productive to try to force them. We must not allow radical groups to claim martyrdom and recruit the young to their cause. That, by the way, is the biggest danger of the "Robinson" approach to this issue. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 19 7.42pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Let me try to help you get it.

The "group of people" you refer to will, over time, become another group of people. They will become second and third generation children of immigrants, who have been brought up surrounded by British culture and, so long as we don't isolate them, by British people too. That changes people. You can already see it with some of the youngsters kicking back against the authoritarian control of their parents. We need to slowly draw them into the mainstream.It's happened before and there is no valid reason why it cannot again. It just takes effort and patience.

I agree though with the Commissioner. Some folk are set in their ways and will not change so it would be counter productive to try to force them. We must not allow radical groups to claim martyrdom and recruit the young to their cause. That, by the way, is the biggest danger of the "Robinson" approach to this issue.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 07 Aug 19 7.50pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Let me try to help you get it. The "group of people" you refer to will, over time, become another group of people. They will become second and third generation children of immigrants, who have been brought up surrounded by British culture and, so long as we don't isolate them, by British people too. That changes people. You can already see it with some of the youngsters kicking back against the authoritarian control of their parents. We need to slowly draw them into the mainstream.It's happened before and there is no valid reason why it cannot again. It just takes effort and patience. I agree though with the Commissioner. Some folk are set in their ways and will not change so it would be counter productive to try to force them. We must not allow radical groups to claim martyrdom and recruit the young to their cause. That, by the way, is the biggest danger of the "Robinson" approach to this issue. So your solution is to wait 50 years and the situation will resolve itself. In the meanwhile what happens with new arrivals? The process starts again and so will never end.
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Teddy Eagle

07 Aug 19 7.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Let me try to help you get it.

So your solution is to wait 50 years and the situation will resolve itself.
In the meanwhile what happens with new arrivals? The process starts again and so will never end.

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Stirlingsays 07 Aug 19 8.02pm
Originally posted by DanH Lovely stuff when the fellow person who doesn’t leave his bedroom quotes his hero PJW and then has the temerity to call someone else senile. Bless. Maybe you should ask old Steptoe for a cheap room and a reacharound. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Aug 19 8.02pm

Originally posted by DanH

Lovely stuff when the fellow person who doesn’t leave his bedroom quotes his hero PJW and then has the temerity to call someone else senile.

Bless.

Maybe you should ask old Steptoe for a cheap room and a reacharound.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 07 Aug 19 8.08pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So your solution is to wait 50 years and the situation will resolve itself. In the meanwhile what happens with new arrivals? The process starts again and so will never end. Yeah, it's not as though we haven't already had much more than fifty years of significant immigration already compared to before.....to lead us to this downgrade with higher crime, much higher social costs and much higher social incohesion.....all while immigration continues at the same pace. All while fools and liars, told the populous exactly the same half truths and delusions you have dealing with here. Different year, same BS. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2019 8.13pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 Aug 19 8.08pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So your solution is to wait 50 years and the situation will resolve itself.
In the meanwhile what happens with new arrivals? The process starts again and so will never end.

Yeah, it's not as though we haven't already had much more than fifty years of significant immigration already compared to before.....to lead us to this downgrade with higher crime, much higher social costs and much higher social incohesion.....all while immigration continues at the same pace.

All while fools and liars, told the populous exactly the same half truths and delusions you have dealing with here.

Different year, same BS.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2019 8.13pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Aug 19 8.08pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So your solution is to wait 50 years and the situation will resolve itself. In the meanwhile what happens with new arrivals? The process starts again and so will never end. Wisbech seems to have lost the capacity to think things through properly.
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07 Aug 19 8.08pm

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So your solution is to wait 50 years and the situation will resolve itself.
In the meanwhile what happens with new arrivals? The process starts again and so will never end.

Wisbech seems to have lost the capacity to think things through properly.

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Stirlingsays 07 Aug 19 8.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Wisbech seems to have lost the capacity to think things through properly. Dust on the brain. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 Aug 19 8.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Wisbech seems to have lost the capacity to think things through properly.

Dust on the brain.

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Stirlingsays 07 Aug 19 8.29pm
The assimilation argument was a lie to begin with. Only now we see officials start to drop it.....and we have the next step in delusions. Look at even the Russians in Georgia, they were welcomed in, expected to assimilate with a similar culture...there have been Russians in Georgia for centuries....Look what happened. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2019 8.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

07 Aug 19 8.29pm

The assimilation argument was a lie to begin with.

Only now we see officials start to drop it.....and we have the next step in delusions.

Look at even the Russians in Georgia, they were welcomed in, expected to assimilate with a similar culture...there have been Russians in Georgia for centuries....Look what happened.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Aug 2019 8.31pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 19 9.13pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So your solution is to wait 50 years and the situation will resolve itself. In the meanwhile what happens with new arrivals? The process starts again and so will never end. It will take as long as it takes, but 10 years will see a difference and 25 years a big difference. In 50 years we will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about. With the benefit of hindsight and experience I expect that any new arrivals will be handled somewhat differently than in the past. How many will enter in the future and from where is though still an open question. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 19 9.13pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So your solution is to wait 50 years and the situation will resolve itself.
In the meanwhile what happens with new arrivals? The process starts again and so will never end.

It will take as long as it takes, but 10 years will see a difference and 25 years a big difference. In 50 years we will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.

With the benefit of hindsight and experience I expect that any new arrivals will be handled somewhat differently than in the past. How many will enter in the future and from where is though still an open question.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 19 9.18pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Wisbech seems to have lost the capacity to think things through properly. Your insults, and those of your room mate, are not "dust on the brain" but water off the ducks back to me. I have long given up expecting people like you two to find any sense in my viewpoints. You are far too out of kilter on the right to be able to understand a balanced view in the centre. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 07 Aug 19 9.18pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Wisbech seems to have lost the capacity to think things through properly.

Your insults, and those of your room mate, are not "dust on the brain" but water off the ducks back to me.

I have long given up expecting people like you two to find any sense in my viewpoints. You are far too out of kilter on the right to be able to understand a balanced view in the centre.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 07 Aug 19 9.25pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It will take as long as it takes, but 10 years will see a difference and 25 years a big difference. In 50 years we will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about. With the benefit of hindsight and experience I expect that any new arrivals will be handled somewhat differently than in the past. How many will enter in the future and from where is though still an open question. The last ten years have certainly made a difference. Not many of us will be looking at very much in 50 years but future generations may well be aware of exactly what the fuss was about.
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Teddy Eagle

07 Aug 19 9.25pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It will take as long as it takes, but 10 years will see a difference and 25 years a big difference. In 50 years we will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.

The last ten years have certainly made a difference. Not many of us will be looking at very much in 50 years but future generations may well be aware of exactly what the fuss was about.

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Aug 19 9.37pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Your insults, and those of your room mate, are not "dust on the brain" but water off the ducks back to me. I have long given up expecting people like you two to find any sense in my viewpoints. You are far too out of kilter on the right to be able to understand a balanced view in the centre. It wasn't an insult Wisbeach, it was an observation. Your take on this is somewhere between wishful thinking and half baked logic.
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Hrolf The Ganger

07 Aug 19 9.37pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your insults, and those of your room mate, are not "dust on the brain" but water off the ducks back to me.

I have long given up expecting people like you two to find any sense in my viewpoints. You are far too out of kilter on the right to be able to understand a balanced view in the centre.

It wasn't an insult Wisbeach, it was an observation.

Your take on this is somewhere between wishful thinking and half baked logic.

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