I think you’ve missed my irony, I was highlighted the double think you seem to have. I’ve seen you on these forums talk about how the ‘liberal left’ shouldn’t be as welcoming to Muslims based on their views towards gay people (let’s ignore the fact that’s based on the assumption that all Muslim people hold the same views... we can pick that up some other time)

Now you’ve posted something I assume in an attempt to demonstrate how Yaxley-Lennon isn’t a one issue man and therefore the people who dislike him on this forum who don’t like him for his views towards Muslims should now celebrate him for his views towards gay people.

I put it to you that the fact that he holds similar views to the kind of ultra conservative Muslims who were protesting outside the schools in Birmingham only indicates he is the other side of the same coin and something that isn’t required in Modern Britain in the same way their views aren’t welcomed.

I think you’ve missed my irony, I was highlighted the double think you seem to have. I’ve seen you on these forums talk about how the ‘liberal left’ shouldn’t be as welcoming to Muslims based on their views towards gay people (let’s ignore the fact that’s based on the assumption that all Muslim people hold the same views... we can pick that up some other time)

Now you’ve posted something I assume in an attempt to demonstrate how Yaxley-Lennon isn’t a one issue man and therefore the people who dislike him on this forum who don’t like him for his views towards Muslims should now celebrate him for his views towards gay people.

I put it to you that the fact that he holds similar views to the kind of ultra conservative Muslims who were protesting outside the schools in Birmingham only indicates he is the other side of the same coin and something that isn’t required in Modern Britain in the same way their views aren’t welcomed.

So in your head, if Robinson happens to agree with any position that a set of Muslims have.....this is somehow double think?

How does that work?

So in your head, if I or Robinson or anyone agree with one particular position then this means that I fully agree with all of their positions.

How does that work?

Let's make this specific to you.....What party do you support? Do you agree with every single aspect of its politics.....Say you oppose the Tories (hardly a stretch me thinks) does this mean that you disagree with every single policy they had?....You know, just because they are Tories.

And if you did agree with a policy....that this is somehow double think.

You know, Muslims also drink water....I drink water....this doesn't make me the same.

You seem to be suggesting that I or Robinson should disagree with Muslims as a point of principle about everything. What kind of logic is that?

Muslims believe that they have to the right to raise their children as Muslims....Hey, amazing. I also believe they have the right to raise their children as Muslims......Shock horror, according to your logic that shouldn't compute!

Are you seriously suggesting that because I or Robinson might agree with some Muslims on being against the teaching of homosexuality to primacy school children that this means I or him agree with other attitudes expressed towards homosexuality?

It appears you are.

Are you not aware that some homosexuals also disagree with this policy? Does this mean that any difference they might have elsewhere is also double think?

Let's explain to you how I and Robinson and others can agree with the stance against teaching homosexuality to primacy children and also be against other strongly held views about homosexuality within the same community.

Pew carried out a poll in 2016 on the attitudes of Muslims in the UK.

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52% said they disagreed with the statement that heterosexuality should be legal in the Britain. Only 18% would say it should be legal.

Well, I agree with the minority 18% as does Robinson. Is that double think for you?

Outside of the Islamic community only 5% agree that homosexuality should be illegal.

Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.....presumably, though it did not state, only 18% percent would be prepared to agree that it's acceptable.

Well again, I think it's an outrageous idea that a homosexual would be banned from a teaching job as does Robinson.

Is that double think enough for you?

Nuance, dear boy, nuance.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2019 1.52pm)

Oh look It's the pearl clutcher never missing an opportunity to be brave at his keyboard.

I think you have misinterpreted the point I was trying to make, in good faith though no doubt. Sorry if I was unclear.

No where in my post do I infer that because Tommy and some Muslims hold the some of that same views on homosexuality that by default all their views would be the same. Equally I don’t assume that if a group hold opposing views naturally they would disagree on everything. I am a firm believer that we all hold common ground and in this space is where progress is made.

The point my initial post was making is that I have seen posts of this forum that indicate that part of the reason Muslims don’t fit in with British values as they hold illiberal views toward homosexuality. Now a man who champions himself as a bastion of British values demonstrates another set of views towards homosexuality that many would deem illiberal and he is championed.

You are correct nuance is key, in fact one of my favourite quotes of all time is “Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance.” Something that unfortunately happens all too much in today’s 24hr news cycle!

Feel free to post a response but you will unlikely receive a reply, I have lurked on these forums for sometime and enjoy reading the views of people who have vastly different viewpoints to me but ultimately feel that changing someone’s viewpoint over written communication is close to impossible. Things are too easily taken in the wrong context.

i was hoping this thread was dead, however seeing it active again its a shame its been re-ignited .: giving this disgraceful very small narrow corner of morally-undesirable palace fans a voice again. i was hoping people had forgotten about steven yaxley-lennon.