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 silvertop  Portishead 13 Sep 19 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You make it sound like Labour Remainers have no will of their own. Yes we voted to leave in 2016 and nothing has changed. The people have spoken and Parliament must deliver no matter what. Also it would be wrong to say that the problem is recalcitrant labour remainers. It is a passionately anti no deal parliament.
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cryrst  The garden of England 13 Sep 19 9.24pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Also it would be wrong to say that the problem is recalcitrant labour remainers. It is a passionately anti no deal parliament. Nah mainly labour
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| silvertop Portishead 13 Sep 19 9.33pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Nah mainly labour Chaps get with it. While brexit dominates, 2 party politics is dead. Remember, Corbyn is a leaver as are most labour grassroots supporters in the midlands and north. Uncertainty makes the story... more interesting.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Sep 19 9.39pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Also it would be wrong to say that the problem is recalcitrant labour remainers. It is a passionately anti no deal parliament. I don't think that's right. There were three votes on May's deal.....Johnson, Mogg, Gove all voted for the last one......Labour and the opposition voted against on all three 'deal' brexits. The country voted 51.9 percent to leave....Yet only 25 percent of MPs did. That's why we are here now.....those simple facts. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2019 9.40pm)
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| cryrst The garden of England 13 Sep 19 10.03pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Chaps get with it. While brexit dominates, 2 party politics is dead. Remember, Corbyn is a leaver as are most labour grassroots supporters in the midlands and north. Uncertainty makes the story... more interesting. Not really a 'leaver' in the sense that changes would matter.
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| dannyboy1978 14 Sep 19 9.34am |
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Cameron "sorry about referendum " Our politicians are a joke.
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Sep 19 9.53am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't think that's right. There were three votes on May's deal.....Johnson, Mogg, Gove all voted for the last one......Labour and the opposition voted against on all three 'deal' brexits. The country voted 51.9 percent to leave....Yet only 25 percent of MPs did. That's why we are here now.....those simple facts. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2019 9.40pm) Nearly two thirds of constituencies were leave - the spread and subsequent inertia is damning on Parliament.
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| dannyboy1978 14 Sep 19 10.18am |
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I just don't get this want of a second referendum.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Sep 19 11.07am |
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Originally posted by susmik
You are wrong on that one sunshine. As ALWAYS you come out with a load of bull$hit just to satisfy your one sided view. It is quite obvious you have scoured the net for some text to copy and paste yourself just to prove your point. Ok, below is a link to the treaty itself, which I won't pretend to have read in it's entirety as it's long and highly technical. I have scanned it and then read a summary, as I suspect most people have. I am not pretending to have done anything other than copy and paste references. You claim to have read it all. So please identify in the text where it says the very specific things you claim it says:-
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Sep 19 11.21am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You make it sound like Labour Remainers have no will of their own. Yes we voted to leave in 2016 and nothing has changed. The people have spoken and Parliament must deliver no matter what. The problem is nothing of the sort. It's not "Labour Remainers" at all. It's Parliament as a whole not being satisfied that the arrangements so far negotiated on how we exit provide us all with a safe and secure way to do so. The problem is that we now have a government which refuses to acknowledge that. What happens beyond that is an open question. The 2016 referendum is now history. That some, like you, believe it's consequences mean we must leave the EU whatever the method or cost, is not shared by everyone. Whether you constitute a majority will probably have to be determined at some time.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 14 Sep 19 11.22am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Ok, below is a link to the treaty itself, which I won't pretend to have read in it's entirety as it's long and highly technical. I have scanned it and then read a summary, as I suspect most people have. I am not pretending to have done anything other than copy and paste references. You claim to have read it all. So please identify in the text where it says the very specific things you claim it says:- If you have not read it completely as you have said then I suggest you do read it and not ask me pinpoint the bits you cannot comprehend. You are on these boards to make out that you are bright and intelligent and above all others. I have noticed however other posters have noticed like me that you are a "know it all".
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Sep 19 11.33am |
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Originally posted by susmik
If you have not read it completely as you have said then I suggest you do read it and not ask me pinpoint the bits you cannot comprehend. You are on these boards to make out that you are bright and intelligent and above all others. I have noticed however other posters have noticed like me that you are a "know it all". I have both scanned it and read a detailed summary. I can find nothing that even comes close to supporting the claims that you made. The treaty is full of legal language so a comprehensive summary of it's implications would generally be regarded as the intelligent way to appreciate what it means. However as you claim to have read it all let's test that. I am not claiming to. I am challenging you to prove you have because from the tone of your replies I suspect that claim is bs. If what you claim is there then point out where. You have read it! It cannot be difficult. If you cannot do that, or try to find an excuse as to why you won't, I will assume, with some justification, that my suspicions are correct.
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