The Home Secretary says she definitely hasn't come back. With the borders, customs and immigration controls I usually see in Britain, I wonder how he would be so sure?

I have to feel there's a sense of inevitability about this. Basically a matter of time. Tomorrow, next week, next year. She'll be back and crying crocodile tears. She will never actually apologise or anything like that. She will probably cost the taxpayer millions in rehabilitation and security and get a new life, house and identity - all on the taxpayer. She will be a pin up girl for the Social Justice Warriors and also radical Muslims - which will be a great laugh. Just give it time.

A day over 18 when they flee, then I am in full agreement with you. No issues at all.

But 15? As I have stressed, this is not about her. This is about us, collectively, as a nation. And what we truly want it stand for. I loathe what this girl did, what she claims even now to believe in and have nothing but utter contempt for her family because as far as I am concerned they should be prosecuted for neglect.

However, she was a child when she run away. So the country owes her, even now, a duty of care, no matter how much that sickens me to say.

Nobody who went to join IS did so in ignorance of what they were up to. There are zero issues around that. But we are not IS. We are meant to be, as difficult as that is to believe at the moment, a country with the rule of law and democracy still in place. Western civilisation has to mean something. Has to stand in the face of every kind of abuse going. Because otherwise what fills the void is an abhorrence.

And yes, I am about to commit a terrible case of hyperbole now but we fight or die on this. Let Islamic lunatics chop off the hands of kids for flying kites or make their daughters wrap up from head to toe in bandages. We don't. We give our kids real chances.

Even moronic 15 year olds. And especially ones who would, under our system, be seen as victims in terms of sexual grooming. I would happily put a bullet into the head of that Dutch nonce she 'married', along with any and every other adult who went to join that murderous death cult.

But she was a kid. And I don't want to be part of a civilisation that does not give kids second chances.

It's called sleeping with the enemy. Many many people don't get second chances....She didn't support giving Islamic state's enemies second chances.

From where I stand this is misplaced empathy.

The sympathy I had was for the baby...It was half British, it deserved a chance....one of several she is responsible for the death of.

She made her bed.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2019 10.36pm)

I might disagree you over many things but not this.

In my opinion you are 100% correct and state the case succinctly. This isn't about her. This is about us showing everyone, including those among us who might have radical Islamic tendencies themselves, that our standards are never compromised. In some places in the world kindness and fairness to others is seen as a weakness to be exploited. And not just in the Islamic world. We need to demonstrate why this isn't the case.