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Originally posted by Alex1991

So 52% voted Leave, and within that 52% you have millions of people with a different view on how Brexit would happen. That 52% would have included a lot of people whose decision was close either way. This vote is now being hijacked by hard line Brexiteer's who are trying to tell people that this is what they voted for and blaming the EU for not giving them the trade deal they promised without having the knowledge it could be agreed.

That's a bit one eyed.

A lot of those 48 percent weren't actually fans of remaining in the EU but were frightened into it by project fear....a project that made lots of predictions for what would happen to our economy after the vote which didn't happen.

If remain had only those pro EU voters to rely on they would have barely got to thirty percent if that.

Lots of them want the EU to reform when the reality is the EU won't reform without actions like Brexit....and even then its path is seemingly set.

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Originally posted by Alex1991

Leaving was not compulsory. It was an advisory referendum.

So was the one which saw us join the EEC.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

A deal is not compulsory. That was never on the ballot paper. Leave or Remain was. Remain lost. The only valid debate is over the type of Leave but we should be out now. Extending it anymore only creates more uncertainty and upheaval.

Be honest. You want A50 revoked. Be a Lib-Dem and sing that from the rooftops. But please don't insult our intelligence by hiding that.

You are actually completely wrong about this. The best outcome now is that a decent deal is agreed. I don't want article 50 to be revoked, but if there is no movement on a deal and it is between no deal or revoking article 50 then yes, I'd want to revoke article 50.

 


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Originally posted by Alex1991

Leaving was not compulsory. It was an advisory referendum.

Absolutely. So let Parliament revoke it. But, and I accept I am a little tedious about this, celebrate that. Cheer it on. I can respect that.

What I loathe is this vomit-inducing desire to give yourselves a cloak of democratic justification by way of another referendum when you are simply not willing to have the one on June 23rd honoured. You dont get a second go.

Cheer on a Parliament that has the courage to revoke A50 if you believe it should ignore 17.4 million votes. Believe in this system. Express your desire for it to act in accordance with your wishes.

 


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Originally posted by Alex1991

So you'd like to crash out without a deal and then re assess after the fact ?

Seriously?
Are you another Labour Party activist reading from a script?

I regard honouring the referendum result as paramount.

A 'no deal' would not remain so for long as no one benefits from a halt of trade with Europe.

The people driving the second referendum nonsense know this full well.

 

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Originally posted by Matov

Absolutely. So let Parliament revoke it. But, and I accept I am a little tedious about this, celebrate that. Cheer it on. I can respect that.

What I loathe is this vomit-inducing desire to give yourselves a cloak of democratic justification by way of another referendum when you are simply not willing to have the one on June 23rd honoured. You dont get a second go.

Cheer on a Parliament that has the courage to revoke A50 if you believe it should ignore 17.4 million votes. Believe in this system. Express your desire for it to act in accordance with your wishes.

If the Brexit that was campaigned for was the Brexit that could actually be delivered I would be all for it. This is not the case, it will never be the case, and yet people are still clinging on to an ill advised and ill conceived referendum, the sole purpose of which was to shore up David Cameron's position.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Seriously?
Are you another Labour Party activist reading from a script?

I regard honouring the referendum result as paramount.

A 'no deal' would not remain so for long as no one benefits from a halt of trade with Europe.

The people driving the second referendum nonsense know this full well.

How do you know this ? Surely if a trade deal was as important to Europe as you think it is then this deal would have done 3 years ago.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

'Proper Brexit' was definitely not on the ballot paper. I do wonder how many types of Brexit there are now...

The same applies to 'no deal'.

 

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Originally posted by Alex1991

How do you know this ? Surely if a trade deal was as important to Europe as you think it is then this deal would have done 3 years ago.

No. That is called negotiating.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The same applies to 'no deal'.

Precisely.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No. That is called negotiating.

So part of a negotiation is putting yourself in a bad situation in the hope that afterwards you'll get the deal you want ? Do you really believe that we'll get a better deal once we leave ? Or will we in fact get a much worse deal than the one that is on the table now because we have zero bargaining position.

 


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Originally posted by Alex1991

How do you know this ? Surely if a trade deal was as important to Europe as you think it is then this deal would have done 3 years ago.

Europe will without question start negotiations after a no-deal exit. However in my view it's the worst, most unnecessarily disruptive way to go about it.

This is the point people are missing – once we leave on the 31st we then have to negotiate trade arrangements which could take at least another two years. Once we're 'out' all this dross is going to keep rumbling on for the foreseeable. End one procrastinating nightmare only to begin the next...

Leaving without a deal just means that process will take longer, at least it will with regards to the EU.

 


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