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dannyboy1978 03 Oct 19 7.05am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It seems he wanted to become PM at pretty much any cost. He only signed up to the "leave" idea because he thought it would advance his own career. He is not a conviction politician. He is an opportunist. What cost?
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Badger11 Beckenham 03 Oct 19 7.50am | |
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So Boris has revealed his plan, to be honest I do not know if it is any good or if the EU will accept it. Over the next few days please bear this in mind: The EU have been allowed to get away with the tactic that it is up to the UK government to find a solution. Time and time again the EU leaders just say not good enough or we need more detail etc. Now they can say the backstop is their solution but that has been rejected by Parliament what is their alternative solution to an idea that has been rejected? If the EU rejects Boris's plan and fails to suggest an alternative to the backstop then I hope the public realise that they have to take their share of the blame. I would not have allowed the EU to adopt a position of teacher marking our homework and just saying not good enough go away and try again. This is a negotiation and if the EU wants a deal they also have to have some ideas beyond its the backstop or nothing. If they don't come up with an alternatives then I think that they are not serious about a deal and probably never were. Whatever Boris and May's faults are they are the ones who are proactively seeking a deal the EU is just sitting on its hands hoping that Brexit collapses or Parliament changes its mind about the backstop.
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chris123 hove actually 03 Oct 19 7.56am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
So Boris has revealed his plan, to be honest I do not know if it is any good or if the EU will accept it. Over the next few days please bear this in mind: The EU have been allowed to get away with the tactic that it is up to the UK government to find a solution. Time and time again the EU leaders just say not good enough or we need more detail etc. Now they can say the backstop is their solution but that has been rejected by Parliament what is their alternative solution to an idea that has been rejected? If the EU rejects Boris's plan and fails to suggest an alternative to the backstop then I hope the public realise that they have to take their share of the blame. I would not have allowed the EU to adopt a position of teacher marking our homework and just saying not good enough go away and try again. This is a negotiation and if the EU wants a deal they also have to have some ideas beyond its the backstop or nothing. If they don't come up with an alternatives then I think that they are not serious about a deal and probably never were. Whatever Boris and May's faults are they are the ones who are proactively seeking a deal the EU is just sitting on its hands hoping that Brexit collapses or Parliament changes its mind about the backstop. Well the EU agreed a deal and Parliament didn't vote for it.
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Badger11 Beckenham 03 Oct 19 8.01am | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Well the EU agreed a deal and Parliament didn't vote for it. Exactly so what has the EU done since to modify its stance? From an official EU document "The onus to propose solutions which overcome the challenges created on the island of Ireland by the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the European Union and its decision to leave the customs union and the internal market remains on the United Kingdom." The EU has been allowed top get away with it because May didn't put her foot down she allowed them to dictate the terms of the negotiation with the EU being the passive partner.
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Teddy Eagle 03 Oct 19 8.13am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Exactly so what has the EU done since to modify its stance? From an official EU document "The onus to propose solutions which overcome the challenges created on the island of Ireland by the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the European Union and its decision to leave the customs union and the internal market remains on the United Kingdom." The EU has been allowed top get away with it because May didn't put her foot down she allowed them to dictate the terms of the negotiation with the EU being the passive partner. It’s as though they want to make leaving difficult. Strange for an organisation whose benefits are so incredible. You’d think they would be making it harder to join than leave.
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Matov Online 03 Oct 19 8.36am | |
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This deal might work. If the DUP are on board then most of the ERG will follow. Key to it is Labour MP's. There were 5 already willing to vote for May's deal and as I understand it there are at least 2 more willing to commit to it with perhaps a few more to follow. Personally I loathe it, refusing to accept that there is any compromise possible with the EU but, in my more rational moments, am happy to concede that I am a lunatic on such matters.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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dannyboy1978 03 Oct 19 8.37am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It’s as though they want to make leaving difficult. Strange for an organisation whose benefits are so incredible. You’d think they would be making it harder to join than leave. It's just a pyramid scheme that's coming to end ,
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steeleye20 Croydon 03 Oct 19 9.43am | |
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Well wondering what the NI population thinks of this. It appears to be a total lash-up, border posts appear and disappear daily. Have no regard for the DUP whatsoever, at least prostitutes do something for the money. The Johnson deal gives them a choice every 4 years in an assembly that doesn't even exist. I would think commercial people over there would be up in arms. The population voted to remain in the EU as well. Really if there was a united Ireland it would be better for them, the UK couldn't run a piss-up in a brewery.....
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DanH SW2 03 Oct 19 10.01am | |
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You really think this reflects well on you moderator from the Midlands?
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Oct 19 10.08am | |
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I implore one and all not to turn this into a 'Wisbech Eagle' thread.
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Midlands Eagle 03 Oct 19 10.10am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
You really think this reflects well on you moderator from the Midlands? Another slack day at the office is it?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 19 10.10am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That doesn’t seem an unreasonable ambition for a politician. Have conviction politicians got the country’s best interests at heart or are they more concerned with their own agendas? That seems a very odd idea to me. I would much rather people truly believed in what they said, and did things because they think they are right, than only do things that they believe will advance themselves personally.
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